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جوري
05-23-2009, 09:19 PM
www.egy.com/landmarks/00-03-23.shtml

Don't know if the pictures show or what to make of this guy's piece, I certainly don't think the current presidency is any different than the former monarchy in tyranny that is.. I find many nostalgic for something else but I am not quite sure if their heart is in the right place..


EDUCATING FATMA:
HOW TO MASSACRE A TOWN LANDMARK
by Samir Raafat
Cairo Times, 23 March 2000



former occupants of massacred landmark: L-R: Princesses Karima Halim, Fawzia


same villa-turned-state-school surrounded by trash and filthy annexes (2000)



When they tell us computers are insinuating themselves in every state school and that we're on the fast lane to join the new information economy, I say wishful statistics.
Wishful statistics concocted by the usual suspects--that deceptive bandwagon of praise-writers and regime cohorts who continue to sustain their cushy careers promoting their one-man audience. In fact they are so totally wrapped up with regime-promotion that they lost touch with the bleak reality. Otherwise they would've asked themselves, what use are school computers if you can't provide students with the basics of decent existence.
Misleading and manufactured "statistics" go back to the totalitarian '60s when at every given opportunity we heard recitations of how thousands of free state-run schools had opened in this, that or the other calendar year. Even as these phantasmic utterances hatched out of the presidential lungs, the praise writers were already echoing them in a sycophantic chorus across the state-controlled media. Missing however were some vital footnotes.
The power-hungry elements failed to elaborate on how tomorrow's educators were conscripted like cattle into the ministry of education. This new variety of forced labor was the price tag that came with free elementary, secondary and university education.
Likewise, the presidential snivelers made no mention the new schools were made possible only because the government had an abundance of confiscated and sequestrated palaces, townhouses and country estates.

Which brings us to the former Empress's villa. A landmark tragedy if there was ever one.
What should have ordinarily become a town milestone with at the very least a plaque evidencing "the Empress of Persia lived here" is today a source of shame for all decent citizens. It is also an ugly stain on the so-called ministry of education, particularly as it persists on trumpeting its contrived statistics in a country where illiteracy remains at an all time high!
Rather than concoct phony-baloney numbers, the concerned officials had better see for themselves how, after pulling down the wall surrounding the perimeter of the Maadi Preparatory School for Girls, the ugly truth revealed itself in all it's splendor.
Try to imagine mounds of compacted rubbish everywhere. An accumulation of filth, refuse and garbage so large that it was obvious that even the most desperate among Maadi's donkey-driven garbage collectors stayed away.
Yes, this is where we are supposedly going to install the next generation of Pentium-driven computers!
Long before it became a government school this was the homey colonial villa of a British geologist in the service of the Egyptian administration. It was one of 26 Maadi villas designed in the 1920s by Ariston St. John Diamant; also credited for the design of AUC's Ewart Memorial Hall.
Somewhere along the way it was acquire by a member of the Rashad family before it became home to Princess Karima Halim, a great-granddaughter of Viceroy Mohamed Ali. The villa's last occupant-owner was Princess Fawzia of Egypt ex-Empress of Iran.

Princess Fawzia's marriage to the Shah of Persia having soured and at the behest of her brother King Farouk, she abandoned the Peacock throne and returned home. Rather than reside in one of the royal palaces, the ex-Empress opted for tranquil existence in Maadi. She lived ther fo the next 10 years in almost anonumous existence.
I say anonymous because aside the renaming Menashe Avenue, Sharia el Amira Fawzia (today Moustafa Kamel), little else changed in Maadi with her arrival. No fanfare, no security detail and no noisy motorcades! Simply a stunningly beautiful lady relocating in an unpretentious townhouse, dedicating her free time to a variety of humane charities.
Stripped of her title after 1952, the ex-Empress was allowed to reside rent-free in her confiscated suburban house of Alexandria. The rest of her assets became government property, which is how the Maadi villa became in the very early 1960s, another ministry of education prop in the rapidly emerging potemkinesque setting.
Mind you, Maadi School for Girls was not the first government lodger. Before it came a sorry succession of state schools each subtracting rather than adding to the surrounding panorama. But one thing for sure, in the days when it was al-Azhar College for Girls hardly any mohagaba--scarfed schoolgirls could be seen around and that was in the 1960s and early 1970s.
Concomitant to the spiraling increase in students was a frantic ministry of (un)education running out of space. A stopgap measure led to the building of hideous annexes (some collapsed during the October 1992 earthquake) on the villa's rapidly depreciating properties. Another solution was the introduction of afternoon shifts. Clearly, educational logistics had reached a new breaking point.
Meanwhile, at the Maadi Preparatory School for Girls decibels coming out of the crammed classrooms were reaching sound-barrier proportions. Indeed, anyone walking by any government school cannot but take note of the peculiar syllabus taught to Um El Dunya's future generations. Our valiant educators are still stranded in the '60 teaching vintage propaganda and obsolete arithmetic. How ironic it was to hear the other day a teacher shouting in her classroom overlooking ex-Amira Fawzia Street what must have been a lesson in modern history: "King Farouk was a rapacious despot. He and his family lived in large opulent palaces and were totally removed from the hungry people."
So much for humbug history lessons.... worse still should you ever hear the other rubbish that is handed out to our future generations most of it punctuated with ignorant interpretations from the holy scriptures peppered with messages of intolerance... a curiculum made-up in the Dark Ages no less.
While we all want the ministry's statistics to be true, one cannot help being skeptical knowing our educational system remains paralyzed in the propagandist 1960s. That our human resources are surrounded by hazardous garbage dumps. That our ramshackle schools rather than figure as propaganda items could have easily been part of our country's 20th century heritage so that post-Pentium generations won't think so badly of us on ALL counts.
But then, does ANYONE among our praise-writers and statistics-makers really care? Certaily not! They prefer instead to live in blissful denial in the potemkinesque environment they help create.


above: Princess Fawzia Fouad with 1st husband Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlevi of Iran. Below: relaxed moment with 2nd husband Ismail Chirine





Reader Comments
Subject: AUGUST 11,2002
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:26:10 -1000
From: Paul Driscoll

My name is Paul Driscoll. I live on the Big Island of Hawaii. I was surfing the net and found the site about Amira Fawzia. Very interesting. The information was amazing and her picture on the cover of LIFE Magazine, incredible. I was wondering if you had any information on the ship that was named after her. It was a Coast Guard and Research vessel that was used by the Egyptian Fisheries organization. When was the ship built? Why did they change the name of it to El Quseir. I'm a little confused, she seemed like a nice person, was this all a result of the take over and nationalization of the Suez Canal by Nasser? I read this site and it was like a cloud was removed from, my head. 1952 was about the time that Nasser took over and the military growth of Egypt took place prior to the 1956 War. Just incredible! So awful, the Maadi residence was really a nice place. I got the feeling the lawn is gone. Are you familiar with the ship named for Amira Fawzia. I feel enlightened with regards to the name change. El Quseir, is the port on the Red Sea that was the ocean contact for Sharm El Sheik (I think). Any info on the ship would be greatly appreciated. Thank you kindly for your time and attention to this request Paul Driscoll
Bx 383342, Waikoloa,Hawaii.96738. Subject: Residences or schools ????
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:46:14 -0500
From: Mohamed ElShafie Mr. Raafat, your article about Princess Fawzia's villa should open the door for more investigations. For instance look what happened to:
1- Sultana Malik's Palace in Heliopolis on Uruba Street.
2- Misr El Gadida el Thanawia For Girls
3- Nasriya School on Champolion Street
There are many more examples including those buildings taken over by various ministries. What comes directly to my mind is Ismail Pasha Abaza palace, now the Ministry of Construction!
There's nothing wrong with re-adaptive use of historic buildings and landmarks. In fact this should be encouraged provided they are PROPERLY maintained so that the coming generations can enjoy them as a source of pride. To let them run down until they are unrecognizable is, as you say "a source of shame for all decent Egyptians."
Mohamed ElShafie
Field Technical Specialist
Oracle Corporation - Canada Inc.


Subject: Royalty and coffee!
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:58:33 -0400
From: CD oddas.com@sympatico.ca

A question came to my mind while looking at the picture of Princess Fawzia. Ever since my grandfather gave me a stamp commemorating the birth of the "Prince Héritier" --I was a kid collecting stamps in 1952-- I kept wandering about King Farouk's son. After the Revolution and Farouk's death(?) in Italy, I never heard again about his son. So for years and years this old question was dormant: what happened to the Prince. Yesterday it all came back to me. I was complimenting a female colleague who was dressed in black and red (tarbouche red!) and told her she looked like Princess Fawzia and that she was wearing King Farouk's colours... Soon a small clique (ya'ani shella Canadeya) of physicians gathered and we took bets (capuccinos of course!). The lady started arguing doubting me when I told her that the princess was beautiful. So subito presto I took her and the group of unbelievers to visit egy.com, soon we were on your site looking at pictures of the princess. They were amazed... I won my bet.
Anyway, one thing led to another and we wandered what became of King Farouk's son. So the old question came back to me. He was born in 1952 and should be 48 by now. Do you know anything about him? And what became of his mother and aunt?
Best regards,
C.D.

Subject: Villa Tewfiq
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:28:47 -0700
From: Pataki Zs?fia

It was an excellent article about the Villa Fawzia. I am sure, it would interesting to you to visit one day the Villa Tewfiq in Helwan, today a part of a girl school.
Sincerely Yours,
Laszlo Kakosy


Subject: Regarding "How To Massacre A Town Landmark - 3/23/00)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:19:10 -0700
From: M. Topsakal



Ismail Chirine (1919-94) 2nd husband of Princess Fawzia; his mother Princess Amina Bahrouz Fadel who died in a plane crash I was shocked, just as many of your readers must have been, to see the condition of what used to be the villa of Mr. & Mrs. Ismail Shireen.
It is accepted that buildings, like people, come and go with time. To see or know of someone tortured and left to die is always a cause of concern in civilized communities. Similarly to see such an historic landmark being massacred in plain sight is also a cause of concern. Is there an Amnesty International for Historical Landmarks? There ought to be one.
I read one of the comments following your article about how beautiful Princess Fawzia was; well her husband, Ismail Shireen, was also very handsome. He was an officer, a gentleman and a scholar. A rare combination these days.
I was in Cairo when the Egyptian government seized the Maadi villa. For it became law in the early 1960's that no member of the royal family was allowed to own more than two houses. Well during that time the Shireen's had only two houses, one in Alexandria and one in Maadi. The property in Alexandria was much bigger than Maadi's and consisted of the main residence, the stables and servant quarters.
Someone in the Egyptian government went the extra mile for the sake of socialism, and decreed that the property in Alexandria really consisted of two houses, the main residence and the servant quarters, even though they both had one street number. The Shireen's were immediately found in violation of the law. The Shireen's were given a choice: give up one of the buildings in Alexandria or the villa in Maadi. They opted to keep the Alexandria property intact. Ismail Shireen did not want to give up his servants quarters, not because it was in use, but merely for his fear that it might be turned into a Coast Guard barrack or a school, just a few feet from the house that Princess Fawzia wanted to live in, in seclusion.
When the Maadi villa was seized, Ismail Shireen was allowed to visit his home to take his personal belongings. Imagine how one would feel violated when someone breaks-in into one's home and takes away something. So just imagine how Shireen must have felt going inside his seized villa at that time. Shireen inquired from his government escort if he could move some of the furniture to his house in Alexandria. He was told that that could be arranged provided he paid the asking price!
M. Topsakal
Sunnyvale, California
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doorster
05-24-2009, 01:17 AM




former occupants of massacred landmark: L-R: Princesses Karima Halim, Fawzia



same villa-turned-state-school surrounded by trash and filthy annexes (2000)













above: Princess Fawzia Fouad with 1st husband Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlevi of Iran. Below: relaxed moment with 2nd husband Ismail Chirine








Ismail Chirine (1919-94) 2nd husband of Princess Fawzia; his mother Princess Amina Bahrouz Fadel who died in a plane crash I


I am not Egyptian but I can still draw a lesson from it (i.e. all that arrogance and desire to be emperors/empresses by copying British royalty (rather than be servants of a Khilafat) reduced to a big rubbish heap)

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جوري
05-24-2009, 01:42 AM
Jazaka Allah khyran akhi.. yeah it is the dumps now.. though I haven't personally seen it, and it looks like this article is from 2000 so perhaps they have done something about it since.. though still I am not sure of the true intention of the author.. Indeed I hate the current admin of Egypt but they are no different than their predecessors in my mind... all equalling to the abuse of the average citizen and deprivation of their basic human rights..

:w:
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Imam
05-27-2009, 10:59 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
Indeed I hate the current admin of Egypt but they are no different than their predecessors in my mind... all equalling to the abuse of the average citizen and deprivation of their basic human rights..

:w:
:sl:


If we take a look at the twentieth century and the political scene in Egypt:

The times of :

King Farouk : Egypt was the paradise for the foreign capitalists and the Christians who allied them ,and the wealth was concentrated in unbelievable way in the hands of such minority of capitalists.,Egyptians that time were not complaining of the foreigner who share them the Jobs (not As the greedy tone of the west now against the immigrants who do the dirty,hard work) ... their anger was that such handful of foreigners have most of the wealth of the country, enslave them,providing them the dirty,hard work...


exactly the opposite of what happened in the west now, In Europe they approved the Law that would criminalize( months in Jail a penalty) the illegal poor African immigrant.....
Have you ever seen in History , a community who would jail a foreigner who offers himself to be enslaved or clean the toilets !!!
What a greedy heartless politicians !!!

back to Egypt ,no wonder during the time of Farouk the military coup happened.....


Jamal Abdul Nassir: Though the terrible way he treated his opposition,he remains The most popular Arab leader in the twentieth century,for two reasons 1- His socialist policies which enabled the farmers (the majority of Egyptians) for the first time ,to own a land of agriculture .
2-His call for Arab unity and anti-Imperialism....

but the happy days won't last..... as in last years of his era..his zealous speeches (besides the foreign conspiracy of UK and USA) led to the defeat of the 1967 coward Israeli attacks ..

Anwar Alsadat: back again democracy and freedom of speech etc....
the way of 1973 and its results which satisfied all the Arab world, and back again capitalism and economic liberalization which led to the emerge of classes difference again and anger of the poor...


Mubarak: the least popular leader for the Egyptians ,whom the negatives of capitalism in his era came to its maximum ,and the Egyptian diaspora arrived at about 5 Millions !!!!!!!!


So if we ask whether now is better than the time of the monarchy ? the second is true !!..



format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye

I certainly don't think the current presidency is any different than the former monarchy in tyranny that is..
Farouk wasn't a tyrant but had no affection with the poor,that is why he wasn't popular...... History would tells .. the economical situation that would popularize a leader ...and the key is the tyrant president Nassir..

peace for you.
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north_malaysian
05-27-2009, 12:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Imam


Jamal Abdul Nassir: Though the terrible way he treated his opposition,he remains The most popular Arab leader in the twentieth century,for two reasons 1- His socialist policies which enabled the farmers (the majority of Egyptians) for the first time ,to own a land of agriculture .
2-His call for Arab unity and anti-Imperialism....

but the happy days won't last..... as in last years of his era..his zealous speeches (besides the foreign conspiracy of UK and USA) led to the defeat of the 1967 coward Israeli attacks ...
The Egyptian diva, Om Koltom was Gamal Abdel
Nasser's supporter right... maybe because King Farouq didnt want her to marry his brother...
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Imam
05-27-2009, 05:01 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian
The Egyptian diva, Om Koltom was Gamal Abdel
Nasser's supporter right... maybe because King Farouq didn't want her to marry his brother...
She sang for Farouq,and Sang for Nasser etc.....

Singers and Artists are hypocrites without principles ..they ride any wave available...

Farouk really tried to make Egypt better and was democratic in terms of free speech and his era, though the poverty of the farmers ,the time before the military coup witnessed notable achievements in all aspect ,and certainly Alazhar in such era was in his time of glory ,and emerged the greatest Sunni ( my point of view) Islamic school of thought in the twentieth century
تيار الجامعة الاسلامية
which been initiated by Grand Imam and mufti MUHAMMAD ABDU


and other notable scholars

as Muhammad Rashid Reda (I consider his tafseer and that of Mohammad Asaad ,and that of Mutwally Al Shaarawy, to be the greatest tafseers in the twentieth century)



the school have 2 goals:
1- To take the footsteps of the salafy school(but were more strict in few issues) regarding the rejection of Taqleed ,and to make Islam pure of the false concepts of Sufism,mediation,shia concepts ,Qadiany etc.....

2- but they disagreed with the concept that Muslims could only simply rely on the interpretations of texts provided by medieval clerics, as for them though such interpretations to be respected but not to be treated as sacred,or to be called(old is Gold).

They wanted to give some fresh air in the minds which been surrendered to Taqleed which led Muslims(and still with other reasons) to backwardness .


other contemporaries among such school

Imam Mohammed al-Ghazali



Muhammad Emarah
Yusuf al-Qaradawi


and dozens of other infamous scholars in the middle East..

---------------------------------

peace
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جوري
05-29-2009, 03:42 AM
Jazaka Allah khyran for all the replies.. learned a bit..

Do you think Egypt 'looks' worst now as it did during the Farouk era.. as in, was it better maintained, sanitation wise etc?

also don't you think egypt is headed toward another monarchy with that idiot of a president wanting to pass the throne to his eldest son?

:w:
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Imam
05-29-2009, 07:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
Jazaka Allah khyran for all the replies.. learned a bit..

Do you think Egypt 'looks' worst now as it did during the Farouk era.. as in, was it better maintained, sanitation wise etc?


:w:
:sl:
In economical terms
listen for example to the testimony of Mohamed Amin Alalem (very old Egyptian communist thinker) who witnessed the past.

He as a communist was against the capitalism before the military coup, but listen to what he says:

بالرغم من ان الفقر كان شديدا بين العامة قبل الثورة الا انه لم يكن الفقراء فى حالة الذل والمهانة وانعدام الاخلاق والرشوة من اجل لقمة العيش،التى يعيشونها الان.


In health Terms: the pollution in nature and corruption in nourishment industry causes a dangerous diseases ,and no longer you see those who pass the 70's of age as those old generation (my grandfather and his brothers and sister died not before 80 years old) ,none of my uncles who passed the 70's ......


In Religious terms: The greatest and the oldest Islamic university in the world turned to be a slogan and their big Imams mostly turned to be
some hypocrites
فقهاء السلاطين

similar to those scholars in Saudi Arabia who both ,support the tyrants and think that the youth needs only to learn Fikh , Sunna ,medieval clerics interpretations, in order to face the serious challenges to the modern Islamic world !!



Muslims nowadays needs scientists(who have enough religious knowledge for sure) rather than Moftis.....

The west ,in order to shut its mouth from criticizing Muslims ,needs the words of scientific knowledge ......

The west no longer impressed by the language of piousness ,but rather the language of power which comes basically from science .....

and that is the word which

تيار الجامعة الاسلامية

said ,the time of the monarchy,but Muslims yet ,never learn!

format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye

also don't you think egypt is headed toward another monarchy with that idiot of a president wanting to pass the throne to his eldest son?
I think Egypt now neither a monarchy nor a republic, it is (as some critic calls)

الجمهوملكية

a system that has the negatives of both the Monarchy an the republic ...

it is a monarchy as its leader would let his seat only when dies, but it lets the positives of the monarchy.....

in a monarchy the authority to be handled to the parties ,and we find the king who would changes, once the government a time for the right wing and another to the left wing or the middle etc...

in the case of Mubarak he changed the ministers lots,but all the way from the same party (democratic national party).....
not once for any other party !!!.


so his system is worse than a monarchy.......
I have no problem if I be ruled by a king or a president who wouldn't let his seat till death.....but it is a farce when he imposes the same political ideology(which fails constantly in all aspect inside and outside) for about 30 years ...

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جوري
05-30-2009, 12:04 AM
I appreciate your feedback and you have touched upon something very important, which is that we need scholars who are also scientists and honestly I think they are a handful unlike in the olden days when it was common to be both..

I don't know if people have lost interest in one or the other but I don't think we'll rise as an umma let alone a nation if we keep the way we are..

I notice many negative things, even here on board that really bother me, folks passing kuffr on other Muslims, Muslims quoting google as if a scholar.. and I don't think they understand that there is 7ikma (wisdom) in those rulings .. prophet SAW was very wise, he wasn't standing there on street corners preaching ya qawm halomo .. he said things when appropriate and needed .. I am surprised what they have accomplished in a matter of yrs and stood for centuries that we have dismantled with illitracy, ignorance and mal-directed passion...

and Allah swt knows best

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Imam
05-31-2009, 09:55 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
I don't think we'll rise as an umma let alone a nation if we keep the way we are..
:
" .. إن الله لايغير مابقوم حتى يغيروا مابأنفسهم وإذا أراد الله بقومٍ سوءً فلا مرد له ومالهم من دونه من والٍ"
( سنة الله التي قد خلت من قبل ولن تجد لسنة الله تبديلاً


Holy Quran (13:11)Verily never will Allah change the condition of a people until they change it themselves (with their own souls)

changing the terrible situation in the Islamic world now,needs the right ways to diagnose the social diseases and defects.....

What is the disease in our modern Islamic world?

the common answer for such question from the salafy school is that Muslims needs to go back to righteousness ,if they back to righteousness they will be automatically back to glory....


such approach is incomplete ....

take a look at the chapter
تيار الجامعة الاسلامية

in this great book

تيارات الفكر الإسلامى ، تأليف: محمد عمارة
http://www.4shared.com/file/65219313...___online.html

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alcurad
05-31-2009, 10:33 AM
too much medieval thought everywhere, solve that and your'e done.
also we need to judge the world by our standards, not take the currently popular standards and apply them to ourselves!
just look at how the earlier muslims took Aristotle for a second prophet, today all we do is try imitate the western achievements without any understanding of how they came to be in the first place.
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جوري
05-31-2009, 05:24 PM
indeed, I agree.. we take the worst of their traits and think it progress..
I never turn on the Arabic Chanel without seeing some naked girls dancing all about to the most to the most noisy and hideous of music.. I don't see a history/discovery/learning/travel chanels.. it is all about what mind numbing soaps of medieval thoughts they can hang on to.

I was discussing this with my dad and he said the only difference between then and now is that Egypt housed 15 million and now it houses 80 mil.. and that khidiwy Ismael who learned in Europe came to make Egypt a little extension to the europeans putting Egypt further in debt..
He said perfect super powers did without opera houses like Russia and Japan.. yet we seem to go for the little details without addressing the major disasters and as it turns in the end, every thing blows up in our face, even handling a would be epidemic..

what a shame!

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Imam
06-03-2009, 09:53 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
khidiwy Ismael who learned in Europe came to make Egypt a little extension to the Europeans putting Egypt further in debt..


:w:
:sl:
khidiwy Ismael Pasha wanted to modernize Egypt, just as his great grandfather Mohamed Ali pasha , they both were great reformers (compared to the modern leaders)....If I to choose between living nowadays or living during the time of Mohamed Ali,I would choose the later.


format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
He said perfect super powers did without opera houses like Russia and Japan..

True,but to be fair with the man, no doubt he made great reforms eg; increasing the land valid for agriculture,increasing the production of cotton,establishing the factories ,reforming the Port Suez and Port Alex,building the first school for girls,building lots of libraries etc.....

History tells that the man though his shortcomings was sincere and made positive steps..

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