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Looks like there's some miscommunication here.
format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar
Islam is a system. A system does not have 'misunderstandings'.
That is irrelevent, sine the "Islamic System" is not recognised in Holland yet it was implemented with the slaying of the Dutch film director\artist when he seemed to have offended Islam yet broke no rules as governed by his own country...........
The first thing I'd like to ask is, what does your statement have to do with my point? What does your discussion about the Dutch have to do with the fact that a system doesn't have 'misunderstandings' of people?
Secondly, you said:
sine the "Islamic System" is not recognised in Holland
What do you mean by 'recognized'? 'Recognized' by who? What significance is there to a particular group 'recognizing' a system?
Thirdly, you stated:
yet it was implemented with the slaying of the Dutch film director\artist
Can you tell me how you arrived at that conclusion? If I say that Asians are _____ _____ _____ (insert the type of profanities that Islam Haters are fond of) and then i get killed by an Asian, would you say that Asia had been implemented?
If I make the same disgusting insults on Jews, and I get killed, would you say that Judaism has been implemented?
when he seemed to have offended Islam
Please read the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)
Why have you decided to belittle his abuse as "offending Islam"? Do you feel that your statement accurately describes his continual profane abuse hurled at a minorty coupled with his complete blasphemy and malicious slander of God's revelation to Humanity?
yet broke no rules as governed by his own country...........
To what extent should abuse be tolerated? Do you not see a contradiction when a party claims to be preaching tolerance yet they do not prevent a man from spreading hateful slander about a minority, thereby inciting intolerance?
Let's discuss his actual arguments against Islam and we'll see if his claims about women in Islam are true or false. You bring forward the claim with whatever evidence you have, and we'll refute it.
You failed to include fear from Ilamic ruling\law as the death of the above proved, and against salman Rushdie who still to this day cannot leave his own house through fear....
I always find it so ridiculous when rabid Islam-haters whine about having to live in fear after they heaped years of profanities and abuse about a minorty. What do you expect Muslims to do for you, honestly? Throw a party? The blasphemous and hateful comments these indviduals have made reek of intolerance, insensitivity, crueltly, and malice. Is it a crime to do this to another group? Absolutely. We should not tolerate this kind of abuse.
Your comments are as ridiculous as if a thief was to say that ever since he stole, he's been living his life in fear of the police. If you commit a crime, and there is such a thing as hate crimes, then you should not complain when you see the victims of your crime enraged.
So you call the slaying of the dutch artist and the threat to salman Rushdies life "Lies, Insults and misunderstandings.
No, I call their words/teachings lies insults and misunderstandings. All the abuse that these two individuals have heaped on Islam is easily refuted. You are welcome to debate it with me. Bring some of their claims about Islam, and I will refute them.
What is their to misunderstand about these Dutch & British Subjects exercising a right to free speech......
Is it a right to be able to insult, slander, abuse, revile and vilify the beliefs of others? Since when is it a right to treat fellow human beings lower than dirt?
And quite frankly I find the notion of "Envy" from the west a silly notion since we simply need to look at Immigration figures since no one is battering the doors of Iran etc etc to get in and escape the West........
I believe envy of Islam was mentioned, not envy of impoverished countries today with muslim majorities.
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