[QUOTE=V_A_S_H_19]Lol no one put a gun to my head for me to join the army, and i'm sorry if you think my being muslim is going to stop me from defending my family. i have a lil sister every day she ask me when im coming home and all i can say is soon ill be home. a lot of soldiers in iraq want to go home and see their families.
i remember when the Us first went to iraq, when the war started, when sadam sons were killed i saw muslims from iraq rejoicing on television because they wanted their country to have the simple freedom. to speak and not have to worry about your family being hurt while you sleep at night. when sadam himself was capture i saw the same people rejoicing in new york i was home when it happened they were happy because their country would have the chance to build it self.
Oddly enough no one is jumping in the streets and celebrating now, they were premeture in their celebrations, if they knew what was to come they wont be so quick to celebrate, and of course they were happy to get rid of saddam, but at what price ? total devastation of infrastructure, the ahnielation of civillians, men women and children ? the economy wrecked ?
What makes you think the Iraqis sleep any better at night now ? infact they sleep worser at night. ASK anyone of them.
if you say the us invaded iraq all the people had to do is say get out and the Us military will get out.
Something to consider here, not only are Iarqis saying GET out to US forces, the whole world just about is telling them to get out, and I don't see them budging do you ?
but the iraqis ppl dont want us out because they know that fro the first time in their country history people can express their opinion. without worring about sadam secret police taking them away at night while they sleep with their families.
Ofcourse the secret police got replaced with troops and house raids, precision bombs in the middle of the night ect ect
Have any one of you seen a American soldier shoot a civilian? a unarmed civilian. No you havent because it never happen. i agree with you when you say some US troops are bad. some iraqis are bad that doesnt make every person from iraq a bad person.
Yes Im sure all of us have, the latest scandal pictures for porn depicts civillians that have been killed and burned by a bomb and US troops cheering over their corpses, Also there is video footage of US troops shooting a unarmed civillian who is laying on the ground, again the soldiers cheer and laugh, you want to see it ask away.
Sadly its vertually an every day occurance that civillians are mained or killed by US forces.
Not the pic I have of a soldier aparently stomping on the heads of dead Iraqis.
Sadly these things happen all to often Iraq.
You only know what you hear from terrorist network
Hmmm, did not know BBC, reuters, Aljazzera ect were terroist networks, I suppose the Dr I listened to who gave his eye witness acounts of what is going on there was really a secret terroist aswell ?
so dont tell me that you discusted that a muslim will kill another muslim. i dont kill muslims i kill terrorist because they willing to kill innocent iraqis women and children just to kill one us soldier. dont sit in the comfort of you house and tell me that us soldiers kill innocent because if you have proof of that then im sure you have proof of terrorist sucide bombers killing sometime a dozen innocent people at one time just to kill one american.
What disgusts all people, muslims and NON muslims is the killing and maiming of many many innocent people in the name of freedom, which is of course a smoke screen, if they are really there in the name of freedom, why are US troops not in north korea for example from years ago, that is 1000 times worser the Iraq regards to human rights and freedom.
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i know US troops wont just shoot at someone for no good reason. because im muslim doesnt mean im goin to sit there a watch my friends get kill or let some coward kill me. you calling us troops cowards every day they walk out of the safty of their base and head out to patrol with the very same iraqis people you say dont want them there. they not afraid to die because they believing if they die it for a good cause and their sacrifice meant someone was free and they stayed free.
How do you know that ? do you know ALL the us troops ? if thats the case that you personally know NO us troops would shoot someone for no reason then explain that to the innocents that are either burying their dead or have limbs missing.
I dont think you know the army as you think you do, I bet if there was no prove of the atrocitys of abu garub you will say I know US troops wont do this to prisoners.
Terrorist are not MULIMS they i fanatics, murderers and cowards who use ILSAM as sheild to hide their evil. and to sit there and try to justified their actions makes you no different from them
So we can also say that US troops murders and cowards, they bomb a nation that cannot fight back, they use the guise for freedom when really they pilfer the oil of the land, go learn about the millionssssssss of dollers that has gone missing from the oil programme and you are trying to justify their actions of bombing and murdering innocent civillains. what is the difference between a F16 and a suicide bomber ?
Let me ask you this will you call a man a Muslim after he walks into a restuarant full of people and blow himself up only because ing to kill one american
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I do not think you will hardly any takers on that, it is not something anyone will say is a good thing, its haram of course, just like its haram to murder any innocents.
And by the way there WAS no suicide bombers before US attacked.
I have family and ill do anything to make sure they are safe so we dont have a repeat of september 11. cus you know as well as i do that if terrorist get a hold of weapons of mass destruction that they wont hesitate to use it on civilians. and ill die before i see that happen
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What has 9/11 got to do with invading Iraq ? this is where you are brian washed by the goverment, they tie invading Iraq in with 9/11, when it has nothing to do with Iraq, and there was no weapons of mass destruction found In Iraq.
It is clear to anyone these days who is the terroist in this world, who has the weapons of mass destruction and WHO is using thme freely, and the clue is it is not muslims.
You say the us invaded sadam and that the US is bad and we kill innocent civilians if im not mistaken saddam tested his chemical weapons on the kurds, and even now mass graves are still being uncovered.
And you telling me that the US soldiers shoot innocent civilians when a civilian picks up a weapon and point it at a soildier he or she is no longer a civilian and he become a combatant
Before you can comprehend much more, you need to understand who put saddam in power first, who supplied him with weapons, who made deals with him ? ask your GWB the one you have sworn allegiance to or whatever you do.
Personally I rather swear allegiance to Allah.
If you dont think us troop have rules they have to follow look up Rules of engagement, Laws of Armed Conflicts and the Geneva convention. Read it.
I know they supposed to have laws, and as a troop please can you outline the laws as you have been taught them.
I know it is not allowed to show the faces of Iraqi Prisoners regards to Geneva convention, yet MANY soldiers continually do this and are sharing them via the net.
What about beating prisoners up ?
What about religious hate they spew ? of course being a muslim they will be quite around you. believe me there are alot of racists in the army.
Some times a troop may disobey the rules and do something he or she is not suppose to do but when that come to the knowledge of his leadership he gets punished and get put in jail, shooting an unarmed civilian is murder and believe it or not there are some soldiers in jail right now for that
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I thought you said before that shooting unarmed civillians will NEVER happen ?
I know because im in the military. Matter of fact this topic is becoming very un interesting because i can see that you people have no idea what you talking about
Don't take this the wrong way, but you do not know enough nd I promise you by the name of Allah SWT that you have been mislead and tricked, you are also mis-informed and the truth is hidden from you.
Thankyou though for taking the time to reply in depth, it shows you are willing to debate and inshallah you will ask questions and get to the truth.