Rice names 'outposts of tyranny'

[aamirsaab]

extract taken from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4186241.stm (copy and paste link into address bar)

On other foreign policy issues, Ms Rice said:

"I look forward to personally working with Palestinian and Israeli leaders, and bringing American diplomacy to bear on this difficult but crucial issue

"We must remain united in insisting that Iran and North Korea abandon their nuclear weapons


my comments:
errr no miss rice! america does not interfere with israel and palestine conflict and try to bring american diplomacy and all that because america has sod all to do with israel and palestine (key words) - nope i dont see america in palestine or israel territory on my bloab of the earth miss rice, so what u chatting bout!

United my backside! How is forcing other countries to abondon their nulceur weapons a form of unity! so its ok 4 america to have wmd but no one else?

[root]

United my backside! How is forcing other countries to abondon their nulceur weapons a form of unity! so its ok 4 america to have wmd but no one else

?

So your quite happy for N Korea to develop Nuclear Weapons, especially since they accept billions of dollars a year from the US to subsidise the countries power costs in a deal to stop them being nuclear. So, they spend the money developing nuclear weapons with the money the US give them to power the country without a nuclear meltdown. Sweet.

Yet you don't seem to care about the Russian Nuclear incident Chenoble, and the potential for other countries to suffer a nuclear incident. If N. Korea cannot even sustain feeding it's own people, how the heck do you expect N Korea to have full and adequate safety and the capital resources required to maintain them.

seems to me, you are simply talking a nuclear weapon capability.

US Bashing is all I see in this thread and spreading. I once read that those who call mostly for US Blood are often far remote from where they could be to actually try to do it.............

Peace........

[aamirsaab]

lol root
do u not see what america has been doing these past years
please, just look at america properly and then u will find my reason 4 bashing it so.
america (gov.ment) has always been about power
it cares nothing 4 other countries - look at iraq. they sent their army their to get rid of saddam. now as we all know he has been captured. so what the hell are they still doing there? they claim to 'help settle the iraqis' - my A double S. they are there for one reason - they thought sadaam has nuclear capabilities so they bomb him out. they find that iraq has oil so they go hunt 4 sadam (main reason y iraq war started, it was never about getting sadam if it was they would have caught him 10 years ago)
so now america has its greedy hands on iraq terrirtory and oil and then they complain why they are getting shot at and dying and all that bull.

America govnment also never cared for the victims of vietnam war - they simply went in and burnt the place down - killing hundreds of civilians all because of communism - which by the way is not wrong and people should not be slayed cus they are ''commies''


Now america (govnment) sees another oppurtunity to get some oil - so they go attack iran. go watch the news. in a couple of weeks look 4 the following headlines:

iran has wmd
iran says no 2 america
or something along those lines
and ill tell u now that it will be a rehash of the iraq war - which by the way has now been totally effed up by the usa.

so dont tell me not to bash america - i have every right

p.s. regarding the n korea and chernoble stuff - dont u see root, this is exactly what is happening with america : only america has nukes now - do U feel safe with them having nukes - cus i sure as hell dont. Do U see them helping the millions of peoples' lifes they have screwed up. Do U see them helping the millions of orphans which are only orphans because of america!

If america truly is the greatest power on this earth as it claims 2 be then where the heck is their responsibility to the earth - the only responsibility i have seen is to themselves.

and u know what is the icing on that big chocolate cake!
the fact that the american govment made some treaty saying that all countries should disarm their nukes to prevent pollution 2 the amosphere. but did america sign that - hell NO!

[kadafi]

:sl:

Brother amirsaab, please refrain from generalizing. We do not despise USA, but we despise its policies.

As for the subject (the ability to possess nuclear weapons). From my perspective, the US Government has no moral authority. Not even the slightest bit. The military doctrine used to prevent other nations acquirin' nuclear weapons is called full spectrum dominance. The result will lead other nations not to challenge the US policies or aggressions. Furthermore, it's readily understood that the US Government always want to wage war with impunity. In the sense that they want to defeat its enemies (or potentinal enemies) with little effort, and with little fear of loss.

The real problem is that if any other nation acquired nuclear weapons to destory US cities; a instant retaliation against the attackers would be assured and it would be enormous -- disproportionate. This doesn't indicate that the US is defeated, this is a matter of a nuclear exchange war that the US would not and cannot lose.

Nevertheless, the damaging element is the US economy. The public would be amid with fear of of any other future attack against the US. This will lead to a catastrophic impact on the US economy. And this is the exact pretext used in its policies to prevent other nations from possessing nuclear weapons.

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[WomanOfJihad]

* Wish she has something to comment abt.. but ...(sighs) .my BRAIN n POLITICS dnt go together . it just seems all confusingg * : s

[root]

Sorry, Don't accept your nonsense. Your US bashing. And my eyes are wide open

Root

[kadafi]

Sorry, Don't accept your nonsense. Your US bashing. And my eyes are wide open

Root

Peace,

I find it quite evasive to brush my post aside as nonsense. Perhaps you could point the baloney mentioned ;)

Peace

[aamirsaab]

If your eyes are truly open, and yet u still cannot see - then there is nuthing that i can do to change that. It is clear that u have made up ur mind about the US and its shadow government. its a shame that we dont both share similar views.

[root]

I don't care what your opinion is of the US. Mine and many like minded people like me don't want to change your opinion of the US any more than we wish to change your belief.

Stay a minority with your US bashing, I really don't want to debate your conspiracy theories. Only comment that while you believe one thing others believe another.............

Peace

[Sinner]

I wish America would keep out of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Biblically speaking, no good will come out of trying to divide Israel up.

edit: If you want to discuss the Biblical version (with verses) of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, then do so in the appropriate section. Do not post any Biblical verses on the forum apart from in the appropriate section.

[root]

The fasaad jahileen americans pump Isreal with weapons and money every year which is used to slaughter thousands of palestians. This US puppet palestian leader, abbas, he will receive his punishment for his betrayal of his people and his deen. The zionist state of isreal, is a illegal state, and may allah azzawajjal strenghten the islamic resistance movements, hamas, islamic jihad, and al aqsa martys brigade in order to punish and destroy these oppressers.

And as for iran and norht korea, let america even try forcing iran and norht korea to develop nuclear bombs! Its okay for US to harbor weapons of mass destruction but no one else!!!!! In the words of mohammad khatami of Iran, 'if american forces invade iran then the streets of iran will become a burning hell for them'!

As I said, those that call for the spilling of US blood are often the most remote from where they can actually do it. And posting on a US server in order to say it.........

[root]

If allah wills it the time will come for the brothers to go fight the oppresser and defend our muslim lands, this is a honour not a burden.

Well said Hash within the protectuion of the UK, voicing your arrogance over a US server.

[Sinner]

If allah wills it the time will come for the brothers to go fight the oppresser and defend our muslim lands.

What oppressers? It appears any thug can say he is a Muslim and that point "the brothers" will put up with anything they dish out.

[Khattab]

What oppressors? Sinner come on I know you arent stupid, Palestine, Cheyhna, Kashmir these lands have been occupied and many are bieng slaughtered like sheep, raped etc. Also the oppressors are the leaders within a few of the islamic countries. How you can deny such a fact is beyond me.

[Sinner]

Amir, I am sorry for the tone I displayed in that last post. I do get a bit upset when I hear people complaining how repressive America is. Let us pretend a great Jinn allowed every person on this Earth, to live with their families where they truly wanted, and nothing could stop them. This is what I think would happen. Most of Cuba would be found relocated in Florida. Half of America would be speaking in Spanish. A better part of China would find themselves crowded in America's university towns, so the kids could get a good education and better future. Most of Africa would be emptied into the countries of the free world. A good part of the Muslims of the Mid-East would go to America, where they would be free of the repression found in most of that region of the world, and live in peace and be treated no differently then anyone else. Yet there are those who blame America for all the failings of the leadership of the countries they live in. I get a little tired of it. When it comes to where it counts, really counts, people vote with their feet, and those feet point to America more often then not. Who, just who freely decides to move to such countries as Pakistan, Sudan, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Cuba, North Korea...etc? Hardly a soul. Yet it is mostly from these countries we hear about America the Oppressor. Again, I am sorry how I sounded in my last post, I will try to keep my cool better.

[root]

Why is it that Britian armed forces have desert and jungle fighing when their is no jungle or desert in Britain.

Hash, I think a lot of your objections are too narrow minded. Like your above quote, I just don't get that point!

[aamirsaab]

lol----gd comeback

[root]

Then why dont you use your brain once in a while!

There is no jungle or desert in Britian

Well, as for the jungle mainstream British Troops would continue to wear the standard DPM material.

yet the British armed forces are extensively trained under these conditions.

This is not true, specialist infantry units who form part of a "Rapid Response" batallion receive such training. "On the job" training is a major part of how a British Soldier would learn using his superiors as their trainer in unfirmiliar surroundings.

The middle-east is full with jungles and deserts, and so the British forces are pumped with all this ytraining ready to go to war with muslims in the middle-east

No, the British Armed Forces role is to carry out the policies of the elected government of the day, the British are labelled "The Borrowers" by US forces because the British Forces were so ill prepared for such action in such places. Their was not even the correct body armour, and during the first gulf war the British SA80 along with the warrior's were very poor in the conditions they were in "Desert". I object that on one hand you accuse the British forces of training to go to war against specifically Muslim's, why did they form a major part in Bosnia. Their is a lot of wrong in the world today, we can all accept this and all acknowledge a difference of opinion. But you cannot say with any credibility that the British Forces train specifically to fight against Muslims. Why do you complain about people having bad opinion on Muslims which I do not accept as a majority, yet have equally an agressive view against british troops. I was in the British Forces, if you don't take any credibility from what my opinion is then I have wasted my time, but I am puzzled as to why you said that, To the brave Mulsim Turk's from the thin red line, we acknowledge your brave stance.

Its not rocket science, it ain't any kind of science.......

Without prejudice

[root]

I refer my honourable freind to the answer I gave a moment ago!

:-)