Assalamu alaikum dear brothers and sisters:
As I am not going to refute every detail you are write because it is a waste of time.
The only thing that does matter is to speak about the main guidelines and points that you have not yet dealt with.
As I am going to tackle four or five points in regards to Trinitarian belief please read carefully before refuting me and belive that your techniques cannot impress me or defeat me as I am thick skinned.
I – What Allaah The Almighty says about you Hawk in chapter 9:
30. And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allâh, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allâh. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. ...., how they are deluded away from the truth![]
31. They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allâh (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allâh), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) to worship none but One Ilâh (God - Allâh) Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He)[]. Praise and glory be to Him, (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)."
32. They (, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allâh's Light (with which Muhammad SAW has been sent - Islâmic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allâh will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kâfirûn (disbelievers) hate (it).
33. It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islâm), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) hate (it).
34. O you who believe! Verily, there are many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and hinder (them) from the Way of Allâh (i.e. Allâh's Religion of Islâmic Monotheism). And those who hoard up gold and silver [Al-Kanz: the money, the Zakât of which has not been paid], and spend it not in the Way of Allâh, -announce unto them a painful torment.
I think the verses are very explicite.
II – The concept of Trinity is alien to the way of All Prophets
The Concept of Trinity – ‘The Father. The Son and and The Holy Ghost was not unique to Christianity.
1. The Egyptians also believed in the trinity consisting of Osiris, his wife Isis (Great virgin/Mother of God)[God forbids] and their son hours. The cult of Isis even flourished in imperial Rome
2. The Hindu Trinity comprised of Vishnu (the preserver), Shiva (the destroyer) and Brahma (soul and origin of the universe).
3. The Persian trinity consisted of Ormazd, Mithra and Ahriman.
4. The trinity is also found in other pagan religions of China, Peru and Mexico.
5. The Mexican trinity consists ofYzona the Father, Bacab the Son and Echvah the Holy Ghost.
When Vasco Da Gama first reached India he mistook a Hindu temple for the church of ‘Chrestian’ . He entered the temple and knelt in prayer before a statue of a mother holding a child – Devaki nursing Krishna
In order to avoid pasting from websites further details can be seen at:
ancient paganism:
http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/l...s-say/ch3.html
http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/...-say/ch3.1.html
http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/....h3.2.htmlpagan origin of holidays:
http://www.govsux.com/pagan_origins.htm
babylonian paganism:
http://bupc.montana.com/whores/babypag.html
Jewish encyclopedia:
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/v...id=295&letter=N
How can a Prophet of Allaah [how far is imperfection from Him] who is from the same lineage as David and Moses emerge out of the blue and promote a dogma that is contrary to All Prophets? Does it make sense? Of course it does not as Allaah the Almighty says,
“Allâh chose Adam, Nûh (Noah), the family of Ibrâhim (Abraham) and the family of 'Imrân[family of Mary] above the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns) (of their times).”
“Offspring, one of the other, and Allâh is the All-Hearer, All-Knower.” 3:33-34
From of old, from the very beginning, Allaah has spoken of Himself as a Unity, without any reservation that He is speaking of Himself as the Father only, and that there are two other contemporary and equal Persons with Him from all eternity. Moses declared to Israel:
"Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God is one Lord" (Deut. vi. 4).
And this proves to be the keynote of the whole of the Bible.
The declaration of Moses, receives its confirmation and endorsement at the hands of Jesus Christ when He repeats the very words to the Scribes of later Israel:
"The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God is one Lord" (Mark xii. 29)
I have just notice while writing now that surah 3 speaks much more about the family of Mary in order to refute the trinity. Also amazingly enough the surah entitled ‘women’ clears and defends the character of the family of Mary.
There is an identical message in the Qur’an and the bilble [Mark Xii.29 and Deu IV 4 mentioned above]: Al-Ikhlâs or Verbal monotheism {different than Hinduism}
In the Name of Allâh, the Most
Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
1. Say (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)): "He is Allâh, (the) One.
2. "Allâh-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks).
3. "He begets not, nor was He begotten;
4. "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."
The point is, we Muslims, we use the Qur’aan as standard to rectify the changes made in the previous scrptures.
III - Trinity does not exist in the Bible:
The trinity is not biblical, was never taught by ‘Issa or Essau and was never mentioned by him.
There is no proof for its acceptance. Rather, it was formulated by Athanasius {Egyptian priesthood} and was accepted in A.D 325 by the council of Nicea more than 300 years after ‘Issa had left.
Binitarianism and trinitarianism
http://ccg.org/english/s/p076.html
unitarian and trinitarian wars:
http://ccg.org/english/s/p268.html
Frequently asked questions
http://ccg.org/english/s/p003.html
Forum refuting trinity
http://gawaher.com/forum/index.php?...=20&#entry90052
refuting trinity osama abdullaah
http://www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm
IV – Unitarian and Trinitarian Wars:
If you claim that Catholicism is a monotheistic religion can you tell me why these wars broke up and they had lasted for nearly 700 years?
When Constantine came to power he attempted to unify the empire under one system and he sought to do that through Christianity. What he did not realize was that the Roman faction was not the dominant faction and that the doctrines of the church had become confused from those of the original church. This confusion led to a series of wars between two factions, both of which contained doctrinal error. The end result of this doctrinal error and desire for political domination through religion was continuous war and persecution for seventeen hundred years. The error and conflict will ultimately bring the planet to total ruin.
The details can be seen at:
http://ccg.org/english/s/p268.html
V – The Creed of Nicea is the origin of the trinity:
Taken from the book, "What did Jesus Really Say?"
Can you tell me why twelve million Christians were put to death by the church as heretics in the trinity ? To my mind trinity is falsehood and these were Muslims because the Prophet Muhammad Sallal Allahu alihi wa sallam informed us about the saved sect of ‘Issa or Essau PBUH.
In the above historical analysis, we learned that in 325C.E., the Trinitarian church set forth the doctrine of homoousious meaning: of CO-EQUALITY, CO-ETERNITY, AND CONSUBSTANTIALITY of the second person of the trinity with the Father.
The doctrine became known as the Creed of Nicea. But they also went on to develop the doctrine of "blind faith." This is because those who developed the "Trinity" doctrine were unable to define it in any manner that could not be refuted by the unwavering Unitarians Christians through the Bible.
In the beginning they tried to defend the "Trinity" through logic and the Bible. This continued for a long time until the Trinitarian church finally gave up on ever substantiating their claims through the Bible. So they demanded blind faith in their doctrines.
Anyone who did not believe blindly and dared to question them would be branded a heretic and tortured or killed. The following is only a small sampling of the verses of the Bible which refute this definition:
Co-equality:
Jesus and God can not be co-equal because the Bible says:
"... my Father is greater than I" John 14:28
Obviously if God is greater than Jesus (pbuh) then they can not be equal. We also read:
"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." Mark 13:32
If Jesus and God were equal then it follows that they will be equal in knowledge. But as we can see, God is greater in knowledge than Jesus (pbuh).
Co-eternity:
God is claimed to have "begotten" Jesus (pbuh). Jesus (pbuh) is claimed to be the "Son" of God. "Beget" is a verb which implies an action. No matter how you define what God actually did in order to "beget" Jesus (pbuh), any definition must require that God Almighty performed some action and then Jesus (pbuh) came into being.
Before God performed this action Jesus was not.
After God performed this action Jesus came into being. Thus, not only is Jesus (pbuh) not eternal, since there was a time (before the "begetting") when he did not exist, but he can also never be co-eternal with God since God was in existence at a time when Jesus was not. This is very simple grade-school logic.
Consubstantiality:
First go back and read the comments on co-equality and co-eternity. Next, remember when Jesus is claimed to have died? (Mark 15:37, John 19:30). If God and Jesus are one substance then God died also. But then who was governing all of creation? Remember:
"And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."Luke 23:46
If Jesus and God were "one substance" then Jesus (pbuh) would not need to send his spirit to God because it is already God's own spirit, who is also Jesus.
Remember:
"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt" Matthew 26:39
And "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." John 5:30
If Jesus and God were one substance then this ONE substance must only have ONE will.
Futher, remember:
"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"Matthew 27:46
If Jesus and God are one substance then how can ONE substance forsake itself? Why would ONE substance need to pray to itself?
Tom Harpur says: "The idea of the Second Person of a Holy Trinity knowing what it is to be God-forsaken has only to be stated to be recognized as absurd" For Christ's Sake, pp. 45.
Even explaining the supposed "Trinity" away as a "mystery" does not hold water. In 1 Corinthians 14:33 we read "For God is not [the author] of confusion." Thus, confusion can never be His very nature.
THIS is why blind faith was demanded, and THIS is why twelve million Christians were put to death by the church as heretics in the notorious Church "Inquisitions" (Apology for Muhammad and the Qur'an, John Davenport).
When was Trinity introduced ?
http://www.antipas.org/books/pwhite_...ec1_chap4.html
http://www.antipas.org/books/pwhite...sec1_chap3.html
VI – Absurdities in the trinity
The following article was sent by brother Johonny Bravo; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
"Christ, according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the Holy Ghost third. Each of these persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten--just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say, before he existed, but he is of the same age as the other two. So it is declared that the Father is God, and the Son and the Holy Ghost God, and these three Gods make one God. According to the celestial multiplication table, once one is three, and three time one is one, and according to heavenly subtraction if we take two from three, three are left. The addition is equally peculiar: if we add two to one we have but one. Each one equal to himself and to the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity." insha'Allaah
Allaah is the All-Knowing the All-Hearing