Difference of opinion on niqab among scholars

Dalil Boubakeur, the mufti of the largest mosque in Paris, said that the niqab was not mandated in the Qur'an, and that it didn't appear until many years after the Prophet Other Muslim leaders in France expressed similar ideas, .

the france "muftis" are all trying to blend in and be accepted by the kuffars who are open enemies of Allah by waging war against His deen. The fact they think it appeared many years after the Prophet (S) just shows how ignorant they are of Islamic history and sunnah and thus disqualified of all credibility they had. When the verses of hijab came down, the women cloaked themselves with curtains and appeared like crows with only eyes showing and this implementation was approved by the Prophet (s) himself. You read all about it here inshallah: http://muttaqun.com/niqab.html

and several Egyptian scholars in high-ranking positions said that the niqab was neither mandatory nor recommended

High ranking positions don't mean squat these days. We had the grand mufti of Egypt supporting ban on niqaab at universities. These are all modernists. According the the link above, the proof is clear. If the Prophet (s)'s way of living and example is Sunnah for us then so is what his wives did in regard to Islam. Aisha r.a. alone narrated over 2000 hadiths and was a scholar and teacher of many scholars that followed. Based on the authentic resources and evidence, the conservative scholars will say it is obligatory and the moderate or bit relaxed scholars say it is mustaab (recommended), no real scholar will claim the stated above.

Forget about the non-believers but why would Muslims want to deny the sister their choice to wear a niqab? Most do it for the right reasons and it is admirable that they want to only show their beauty to their husbands/mehrams. For sisters residing in the West, it is a very brave decision for most of them.

format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar

Sister, when in doubt, it is always good to err on the side of caution. In this case, that would be the belief that the hijaab is obligatory.
From my understanding, the niqaab is a veil that covers the face and hair and only leaves the eyes unveiled; the Hijaab is similar but, does not cover the face, it only covers the hair, which is the requirement from Quran (as well as women covering their other body parts, like torso, arms legs etc).
For the record - is it hjaabs that are banned in France? or Niqaab? or both?
From my understanding, the Quran does not forbid women from exposing the face. SO the need for a niqaab may not be justified.
Scimi

Thanks for your reply brother, in France the niqab is banned in public places and the hijab is banned in schools. I agree with you that it is generally best to err on the side of caution, but I was just wondering if I would have to mention these moderate opinions in order to give a comprehensive and accurate answer to those people.
By the way, there is a difference of opinion among scholars about whether the verses in the Qur'an about covering also include the face.

format_quote Originally Posted by islamica

the france "muftis" are all trying to blend in and be accepted by the kuffars who are open enemies of Allah by waging war against His deen. The fact they think it appeared many years after the Prophet (S) just shows how ignorant they are of Islamic history and sunnah and thus disqualified of all credibility they had. When the verses of hijab came down, the women cloaked themselves with curtains and appeared like crows with only eyes showing and this implementation was approved by the Prophet (s) himself. You read all about it here inshallah: http://muttaqun.com/niqab.html




High ranking positions don't mean squat these days. We had the grand mufti of Egypt supporting ban on niqaab at universities. These are all modernists. According the the link above, the proof is clear. If the Prophet (s)'s way of living and example is Sunnah for us then so is what his wives did in regard to Islam. Aisha r.a. alone narrated over 2000 hadiths and was a scholar and teacher of many scholars that followed. Based on the authentic resources and evidence, the conservative scholars will say it is obligatory and the moderate or bit relaxed scholars say it is mustaab (recommended), no real scholar will claim the stated above.

Thanks for your reply sister, honestly what you are saying is more or less what I was thinking. I am just surprised that such people can get into such positions of authority, I really don't understand this 'modernist' thing.

So does everyone think I should just mention to them about the traditional scholarly view, or should I say a cautionary point about these 'modernist' views as well?

format_quote Originally Posted by tearose

Thanks for your reply sister, honestly what you are saying is more or less what I was thinking. I am just surprised that such people can get into such positions of authority, I really don't understand this 'modernist' thing.

So does everyone think I should just mention to them about the traditional scholarly view, or should I say a cautionary point about these 'modernist' views as well?

I wouldn't mention these 'modernists' views because 1. you will be diluting the real Islam and 2. it would be a lie, Niqab was approved and and implemented in the presence of the Prophet (S).

I would tell them that all scholars hold consensuses opinion that hijab is obligatory. In regards to niqaab, there is a difference of opinion among the scholars. Some say that it is obligatory because the wives of the Prophet (s) and the early Muslimahs did it and we hold them as examples to follow. In fact, it was worn in all of Muslim world up to the time colonial powers invaded Muslims and forced the Muslim women to abandon it. Some scholars say although it is not obligatory, it is recommended and a pious act. How much one covers is up to each individual based on their level of faith and commitment to their Lord. Those so called scholars that say it is not part of Islam or appeared years after the Prophet(s), like Dalil Boubakeur, the mufti of the largest mosque in Paris, say so because they are the apologetic type who are are trying show they can fit into this society by compromising or downplaying their religion. Islam is clear on what is and what isn't, how much or how strictly one adheres to it is an individual decision.

format_quote Originally Posted by islamica

I wouldn't mention these 'modernists' views because 1. you will be diluting the real Islam and 2. it would be a lie, Niqab was approved and and implemented in the presence of the Prophet (S).

Sis, I probably wasn't clear with what I said, I meant should I explain to them why these views are wrong, or just not mention them at all? The modernists are the only ones these people have been exposed to so they think that is the correct Islamic view.

format_quote Originally Posted by tearose

Sis, I probably wasn't clear with what I said, I meant should I explain to them why these views are wrong, or just not mention them at all? The modernists are the only ones these people have been exposed to so they think that is the correct Islamic view.

oh that would depend on how versed they are about Islam. If they know a bit about it then could go into a detail discussion but if they don't know much about or just strangers in the passing who had a quick question, i wouldn't go too much into details. either focus on the positive aspect of it or just highlight that there is difference of opinion among scholars ranging from it being obligatory to optional and it depends on the conviction of each individual.

They don't know much about Islam, but they know a lot about the niqab ban in France, and have discussed it in detail a lot. So they have seen videos/heard opinions from these 'modernist' scholars, and they think that is the correct ruling. So that's why I feel maybe I should mention something from a scholar refuting the idea that the niqab is not part of Islam.

format_quote Originally Posted by tearose

They don't know much about Islam, but they know a lot about the niqab ban in France, and have discussed it in detail a lot. So they have seen videos/heard opinions from these 'modernist' scholars, and they think that is the correct ruling. So that's why I feel maybe I should mention something from a scholar refuting the idea that the niqab is not part of Islam.

You could do that. You could also highlight the fact the media promotes and puts to the front what they deem most beneficial to their interest. How many muslim charities and good muslims make the news vs how much muslim "terrorism" is sold on the media? by the same token they will promote those who will sing their tune to conform to their society, regardless of them being right or wrong. I think the idea you should really try across and settle in their mind is that there is no one answer on this, and the choice is that of an individual, with these modernist scholars being only one end of the full spectrum.

I live in the U.S. and happened to notice a sister walking down the street today wearing niqab which was a very rare sight! I think this is a very brave act here in the Western world. It disturbs me greatly how France and other places have banned niqab and how there is so much anti-Islam sentiment among much of the Western world. I am certainly no expert on niqab but I believe strongly in the right to privacy, modesty, and dignity, and support any sister who chooses to wear niqab. SubhanaAllah for her bravery, courage, and conviction! Insha'Allah may she only become stronger in her imaan and remain safe and in good health.

sister faithnpeace, you have listed your religion as judaism, is that so?

I recently reverted to Islam and haven't yet figured out how to update my profile.

Pious females have always covered up in most religions. You are free to wear whatever you like that covers you and does not portray you as a sex object in the general public. A burqa would be the most pious attire and it also protects your body and face from the ravages of the sun and wind. I have seen women wear makeup a hijab and tight jeans, which is totally inappropriate, they may as well not bother to cover their hair when they dress like a tart. Generally a female that covers up is given respect, one that does not is considered fast and loose the way the anti religious like them.

I find it unfortunate how here in the U.S. a woman wearing a hijab and niqab is deemed worthy of immense criticism with insinuations such as that her husband or male relatives must have forced her to wear it when the reality is that more likely than not she is doing it by her own choice, may not even be married, or may even be wearing it against the wishes of her husband or relatives. Yet a woman walking down the street half dressed with skin showing everywhere legally allowed, covered with offensive tattoos, etc. is somehow considered acceptable. Drunk and noisy in public is considered normal whereas modesty in dress and behavior is not. I am glad to have found a better value system (Islam). Sorry if I'm getting off topic here. Jazakallah khair to those who are providing scholarly resources on this subject.

BTW, Jazakallah khair to brother Muhammad for fixing my profile.