A quick question to those who believe that music is forbidden but nasheeds are okay.

[Tyrion]

So, it's always struck me as odd how some people who claim music is forbidden still listen to nasheeds. How would you guys consider them different from music? (aside from the fact that they're mostly religious in nature, and usually have no instruments). Many of the arguments I've heard about the "evils" of music (which I don't agree with, as I'm sure you've gathered by now) seem to center around music's apparent ability to distract and affect emotions, but don't nasheeds accomplish essentially the same thing? Even if you enjoy the spiritual nature of the lyrics, aren't you also enjoying the actual "music" behind them? It sometimes feels as if those who don't like music have used nasheeds as a loophole of sorts, and it strikes me as somewhat hypocritical... I'm curious to hear what you guys think about it.

 

[islamica]

Music is clearly prohibited as mentioned by the hadith below, you don't even need scholar's fatwas to know this much. Any nasheeds accompanied by Music is also in the same category. Putting an Islamic spin on it doesn't make it any more halal. This goes for all "islamic" singers out there who use music. Only instrument allowed in Islam is the duff/daff , a one sided drum. That too was for the purpose of either war, call people for important announcement or special events, such as eid and weddings in which cases usually the the past time was with the women and children. Today scholars says nasheeds with music not allowed but with daff is ok. Only thing of advice then given in this matter is that one does not busy themselves with this so much as to neglect their religious and other duties.


Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

"There will be people of my Community who will hold fornication, silk, wine, and musical instruments to be lawful'' (Bukhaari)

This hadeeth indicates in two ways that musical instruments and enjoyment of listening to music are haraam. The first is the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “[they] permit” which clearly indicates that the things mentioned, including musical instruments, are haraam according to sharee’ah, but those people will permit them. The second is the fact that musical instruments are mentioned alongside things which are definitely known to be haraam, i.e., zinaa and alcohol: if they (musical instruments) were not haraam, why would they be mentioned alongside these things? (adapted from al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 1/140-141)


Women are more affected by songs, musical tunes and the meanings of their words than any one else. Listening to songs may lead a girl to fall in love with the singer, to the degree that his songs and pictures are never far away from her mind.Songs cultivate hypocrisy in one's heart just like grains grow and thrive in the presence of water, as Ibn Mas`ood said. Songs and Qur'aan can never co-exist in a believer's heart because of their contradictory nature. The Qur'aan enjoins us not to follow our lusts, or the footsteps of Satan and to stick, instead, to virtuousness. As for songs, they invite us to the opposite.

Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Song makes hypocrisy grow in the heart as water does herbage” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi).

Ruling on Music, Singing, Dancing
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/5000

When is it permissible to beat the daff?
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/20406

The ruling on Islamic nasheeds
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/11563

 

[Tyrion]

^Err, please don't post here with links and copy/pastes of rulings. I've heard it all before. Trust that I've come to my own decision after much research and thought. I'd appreciate it if we could just focus on the question for now.

 

[Alpha Dude]

The crux of your argument is that those who understand that music is prohibited, believe so due to 'music's apparent ability to distract and affect emotions'.

That may be true for some people and by some stretch, you would be right that they are showing a kind of double standard (although, it could be argued that since the human voice is not haram, there is no reason to limit any positive influence of it).

However, I would assume most consider music prohibited due to textual evidence (you disagree on that, of course, but for argument's sake, this is what people who hold music haram predominantly believe). In which case, your argument of double standards is moot.

 

[Tyrion]

The crux of your argument is that those who understand that music is prohibited, believe so due to 'music's apparent ability to distract and affect emotions'.

That may be true for some people and by some stretch, you would be right that they are showing a kind of double standard (although, it could be argued that since the human voice is not haram, there is no reason to limit any positive influence of it).

However, I would assume most consider music prohibited due to textual evidence (you disagree on that, of course, but for argument's sake, this is what people who hold music haram predominantly believe). In which case, your argument of double standards is moot.

Ah, I should have been more clear. I'm not trying to say that most people use those reasons as their primary argument/evidence, but it seems to me that in many cases it's usually those people who (on top of their argument that it's textually supported) use arguments pertaining to music's affects on people to strengthen and defend their position. I'm just curious how those people can also justify nasheeds.

 

[piXie]

I'm just curious how those people can also justify nasheeds.

Most of the nasheeds today do not meet the conditions of permissibility, but those people have somehow justified it, just as other people have somehow justified music, despite the texts stating its impermissible. Most of us justify ourselves, its a bad sad and mad state of affairs. :hmm:

(Iblees) said, “My Lord, because You have put me in error, I will surely make (disobedience) fair seeming to them on earth, and I will mislead them all, Except those who are your sincere slaves” [15:39-40]

We all need to sincerely check ourselves with the Quran and Sunnah.

May Allaah help and guide us all. Aameen.

 

[M.I.A.]

So, it's always struck me as odd how some people who claim music is forbidden still listen to nasheeds. How would you guys consider them different from music? (aside from the fact that they're mostly religious in nature, and usually have no instruments). Many of the arguments I've heard about the "evils" of music (which I don't agree with, as I'm sure you've gathered by now) seem to center around music's apparent ability to distract and affect emotions, but don't nasheeds accomplish essentially the same thing? Even if you enjoy the spiritual nature of the lyrics, aren't you also enjoying the actual "music" behind them? It sometimes feels as if those who don't like music have used nasheeds as a loophole of sorts, and it strikes me as somewhat hypocritical... I'm curious to hear what you guys think about it.

how long have you been on the internet?

most posts want me to pick up and throw my laptop out the window. so that musical argument is kinda flawed, everything incites emotional response.

i mean you could definitely choose not to participate in music or anything, haram?

but you still have to convince them they are wrong.


by your argument its not only music that has that effect, anything that appeals to you has more chance of being followed.. unless you deny yourself or just generally have a better nature than the rest of us.

"There will be people of my Community who will hold fornication, silk, wine, and musical instruments to be lawful'' (Bukhaari)

This hadeeth indicates in two ways that musical instruments and enjoyment of listening to music are haraam. The first is the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “[they] permit” which clearly indicates that the things mentioned, including musical instruments, are haraam according to sharee’ah, but those people will permit them. The second is the fact that musical instruments are mentioned alongside things which are definitely known to be haraam, i.e., zinaa and alcohol: if they (musical instruments) were not haraam, why would they be mentioned alongside these things? (adapted from al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 1/140-141)

yes but it also says MY COMMUNITY.

i know hadiths are an exact science.. i mean you took a line and made it a paragraph.

it probably came from a conversation longer than a page.


have fun with that.

...sure it may convey a message that was already in the message (the quran) but i guess its a case of credible sources and there opinions.

i mean im sure somebody has raised a finger and quoted you in the past.

...not always to your liking.

maybe it was different in the past.

 

[Hulk]

Please first come to an agreement to a definition of music.

 

[Muwaahid]

^Err, please don't post here with links and copy/pastes of rulings. I've heard it all before. Trust that I've come to my own decision after much research and thought. I'd appreciate it if we could just focus on the question for now.

since everyone will be exposed to what you have posted, then those links and copy pasted materials should be posted as well because people need clarity in their religion. this isnt just a response to your question posted here but many people read this site, would you then want people to go astray because they responded to your request in a manner that doesnt suit you? No disrespect intended, but we really need to be aware of what we post and consider the consequences or evil effects it may have on other muslims and the doubts it may cause or spread to new muslims or just muslims struggling with their religion. You know?

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

I listen both music and nasheeds and don´t see anything bad. Also kind of discussions are endless in these kind of forums.

:heated:

Do we really need new one again?

 

[joyous fairy]

Assalam alaykum,

I think some people look towards the message in the music, or the lyrics of the song/nasheed. Most popular music is filled with lyrics that are completely unislamic. but nasheeds have good messages in them, so people would see then as a good thing.

Another reason might be because some people find it hard to stay away from music.. So wouldn't it be better to listen to nasheeds rather than modern popular songs that are filled with horrible lyrics?

 

[~Zaria~]

^Err, please don't post here with links and copy/pastes of rulings. I've heard it all before. Trust that I've come to my own decision after much research and thought. I'd appreciate it if we could just focus on the question for now.

Assalamu-alaikum,

MashaAllah, sis islamica's post clearly answers your question, and is well referenced from Quraan and Sunnah.
Which should mean that this discussion should end thereafter.

What else do we need?

If we are the people of 'Islam' - which means to 'submit to the will of Allah', then our hearts should be satisfied as soon as we realise the commands of Allah and His Nabi (sallalahu alaihi wasalam).

Our opinions do not matter in such topics.

If some people wish to listen to nasheeds with music - after knowing the impermissibility of this - then, they will be accountable for their deeds.
And you, for yours.

Let us be concerned by our own actions and our own relationship with our Rabb.

And ask ourselves why is it so hard for us to completely SUBMIT to His will?
Are we prepared to be ruled by our nafs.....for pleasures that are so short lived?

The reward of submission are so much greater!

May Allah (subhanawataála) grant us hidayat so that we all become people of Islam - in its true sense.
Ameen.


:wa:

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

what about music itself without singing? No words.

Like from Vivaldi:

 

[~Zaria~]

Salam alaykum

what about music itself without singing? No words.

Like from Vivaldi:

Wa-alaikumsalam ukthi,

Your answers lie in the following ahadith, insha Allah:

Narrated Abu Amir or Abu Malik Al Ashari that he heard the Prophet saying,
"From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."[Sahih Al-Bukhari]


Abu Malik al-Ash’ari (Allah be pleased with him) narrates a similar type of Hadith, but a different wording. He reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said:
“Soon there will be people from my Ummah who will consume alcohol, they will change its name (by regarding it permissible.), on there heads will be instruments of music and singing. Allah will make the ground swallow them up, and turn them into monkeys and swine” (Sahih Ibn Hibban & Sunan Ibn Majah, with a sound chain of narration).

Hadhrat Ali Bin Abi Taalib (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said:
"When my Ummah indulges in fifteen misdeeds, calamities will settle on them. Among these are singing girls and musical instruments." (Tirmizi)

Hadhrat Naafi' (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates:
"Once when Hadhrat Abdullah Bin Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) heard the sound of a shepherd's flute, he placed his fingers in both ears (to block the sound of the music), and he diverted his mount from that path. (As they rode on), he would say: 'O Naafi', can you still hear (the sound)?' I would say: 'Yes.' He would then continue riding. only when I said: 'I can no longer hear it', did he remove his fingers from his ears. Then he returned to the road. He then said: 'I saw Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) doing like this when he had heard the flute of a shepherd." (Ahmad and Abu Dawood)

Abu Umama (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give peace) said:
“Allah Mighty and Majestic sent me as a guidance and mercy to believers and commanded me to do away with musical instruments, flutes, strings, crucifixes, and the affairs of the pre-Islamic period of ignorance” (Musnad Ahmad & Abu Dawud Tayalisi).

Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said:
"The bell is among the musical instruments of shaitaan." (Abu Dawood)


There are many other narrations, of which I am unsure of their authenticity, so I have not included them.

However, I think these are enough to prove that musical instruments are impermissible in Islam (with the exception of the duff, in the cases mentioned above).


:wa:

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

did I lie here? Shame for me then.

And remember that Allah knows the best.

 

[~Zaria~]

Salam alaykum

did I lie here? Shame for me then.

And remember that Allah knows the best.

Sister, when I said:

Your answers lie in the following ahadith, insha Allah

I meant that your answers can be found in the following ahadith.

(I am not accusing you of lying : ) )


BarakAllah feekum

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

thanks for your explanation, dear sister Zaria. Maybe I read your post wrong.

:embarrass

 

[Tyrion]

Please first come to an agreement to a definition of music.

Uhmmm... I guess I'd say it was any combination of melodious sounds that stir up emotions in the listener. The dictionary definition isn't bad either:

mu·sic   [myoo-zik] Show IPA
noun
1.
an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color.
2.
the tones or sounds employed, occurring in single line (melody) or multiple lines (harmony), and sounded or to be sounded by one or more voices or instruments, or both.

You know?

No, sorry, not quite sure what you mean. My question wasn't really trying to convince anyone of anything, just trying to see what people with a certain view think.

Also kind of discussions are endless in these kind of forums.

I agree that the topic of music's allowance in Islam has been done to death, and usually doesn't offer much in terms of new information. Sorry if you feel this thread is another one of those, but I tried to formulate my question in such a way that it avoided that question and asked a more specific one. i don't consider this thread to be about music being allowed or not, although some people seem to think so based on the replies thus far.

I think some people look towards the message in the music, or the lyrics of the song/nasheed. Most popular music is filled with lyrics that are completely unislamic. but nasheeds have good messages in them, so people would see then as a good thing.

Another reason might be because some people find it hard to stay away from music.. So wouldn't it be better to listen to nasheeds rather than modern popular songs that are filled with horrible lyrics?

I suppose this would make sense if the person's main argument was that music is bad because of its lyrics, but that's usually not the case for most people, I think. (and it's just untrue, since the vast majority of music doesn't have bad lyrics, or in many cases any lyrics at all)

If some people wish to listen to nasheeds with music

First of all, people keep saying "nasheeds with music"... Nasheeds are music. I think most of you mean nasheeds which include instrumentals, in which case I think I specified that my question was directed at those who argue for music's adverse emotional/spiritual effects while maintaining that (non instrumental) nasheeds are okay even though they seem (to me) to contain much of the same qualities as "normal" or instrumental music (at least when it comes to how they affect a person). I hope this makes sense.

 

[Samiun]

maybe some Muslims think that nasheed with music is better than music itself because lyrics in a nasheed normally praises Allah or talk about Islam and good deeds. Not all nasheed have music in em..

 

[Tyrion]

maybe some Muslims think that nasheed with music is better than music itself because lyrics in a nasheed normally praises Allah or talk about Islam and good deeds. Not all nasheed have music in em..

Read my posts, I'm talking about nasheeds that don't have musical instruments in them... I'm assuming that's what you mean when you say "nasheeds with music", right?