Sikhs want to use "Allah" too...

[north_malaysian]

Now, Sikhs want to be part of suit over the word Allah

KUALA LUMPUR: The Sikh community in Malaysia has become the latest party seeking to intervene in the suit by the Catholic Church over the use of the word "Allah".

The Malaysian Gurdwaras Council filed an application to intervene in the suit through the firm Jagjit Singh & Co on Tuesday.

In a supporting affidavit, its president Jagir Singh said the word "Allah" in reference to God was an integral part of the original version of the Sikh holy book, the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

As such, he said, no followers of the Sikh religion would tolerate any obstruction on the use of the original terms taken from their holy book.

Jagir Singh said the council, the umbrella body of some 130 gurdwaras nationwide representing more than 100,000 of the Sikh religion, had an interest in the declaration sought by the applicant of the suit.

In the suit, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Kuala Lumpur Datuk Murphy Pakiam is seeking to declare that the Catholic weekly "Herald" is entitled to use the word "Allah".

He is also seeking to declare that its usage was not exclusive to Islam.

Rev Murphy, 70, had named the then Internal Security Minister (now Home Minister after the ministry was merged with the Home Affairs Ministry) and the Government as respondents in the application filed on March 19.

The archbishop is named as an applicant in the action in his capacity as publisher of the Herald.

Other parties which have applied to intervene in the suit are the Penang Islamic Religious Council, Terengganu Islamic Religious and Malay Custom Council, Federal Territories Islamic Religious Council and Perak Islamic Religious and Malay Custom Council.

Source: The Star, 04.07.2008, page N34

 

[Eeman]

WHAT???????????

ok ummm... no offence to the sikh bros and sisters But Allah (swt) is Allah!!!
The Lord of the heavens and the earth.
if you do not believe in Him, His angels, messengers, books, in al qadar, the last day and paradise and hell!

then errr... i dont understand why they would want to use His name!
Gosh what is going on in this world???

 

[Kas1m]

The master of the Sikhs, its a myth, that he was a muslim, if not then he was really close to muslims. He kept telling in signs that the Quran is the truth

 

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:salamext:

Allaah is the one and only God. If people want to use Allaah to refer to God then that is cool. No one can claim their right on the "name" however, apart from Islaam, because Islaam is the true religion, and the only religion accepted by Allaah.

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The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His will)... [Qur'aan, 3:19]

If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him...[Qur'aan, 3:85]

 

[Amadeus85]

i dont know how it is with sikhs but christians calls the Creator, (YAHVE in Bible) in national lanuage of their country.Thats why there is God,Gott,Bóg,Deus,and also Allah for arabic christians.If God is Allah in malay language so thats why they wanted to use it, they are not Americans so they cant call Him God.

 

[Eeman]

Ok so if sikhs beleive that their guru was a muslim or close to islam then why dont they follow islam?

it has been revealed to us that Allah's previous scriptures were the torah and injeel, you dont see muslims following them. no where in the Qur'an was the guru granth sahib mentioned nor any gurus named doesnt that make the sikhs think!!!

and i dont understand why arab christians use Allah!!!
isnt the word in arabic for God ilah? and gods ilahs?
Allah is the unique name for Allah swt and none who believe in Him should be able to use it to refer to other beings than ONLY Him!

(sorry about the exclamation marks lol)

but i just totally disagree wth that...
when i hear stuff like this it just makes me think man when are people going to wake up and use common sense... i say its signs of the qiyamah the whole world has lost the plot!

next you will be getting Hindus asking for permission to name Ganesh Allah (Astaghfirullah)

NO offence to any brothers and sisters frm other religions whatsoever, i respect all believes but i just dont agree with what they are tryingto do thats all.

ma salama.

 

[glo]

Allah
Allah (, ) is the standard Arabic word for "God". The term is best known in the West for its use by Muslims as a reference to God. Arabic-speakers of all faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God". The Muslim and Christian Arabs of today have no other word for 'God' than 'Allah'. In pre-Islamic Arabia, Allah was used by pagan Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity.

Source: http://www.babylon.com/definition/Allah/

If 'Allah' is the standard Arabic term for 'God', then surely all Arabic speaking people would refer to God by that name ... regardless of how God is seen in their religion ...

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

WHAT???????????

ok ummm... no offence to the sikh bros and sisters But Allah (swt) is Allah!!!
The Lord of the heavens and the earth.
if you do not believe in Him, His angels, messengers, books, in al qadar, the last day and paradise and hell!

then errr... i dont understand why they would want to use His name!
Gosh what is going on in this world???

Erm, we don't need to believe in anything but Allah. We respect other religions, but we don't follow them!

Get educated before you make silly posts. Allah belongs to EVERYBODY. Only fools quarrell over who he's for and who he's not for!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

The master of the Sikhs, its a myth, that he was a muslim, if not then he was really close to muslims. He kept telling in signs that the Quran is the truth

He wasn't a muslim you're right. Although he's given the title of Hazrut Nanak, he went to mecca and had many discourses with muslim saints. Especially in Baghdad. He was a Sikh he says so in his Gurbani (Verses)

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Ok so if sikhs beleive that their guru was a muslim or close to islam then why dont they follow islam?

it has been revealed to us that Allah's previous scriptures were the torah and injeel, you dont see muslims following them. no where in the Qur'an was the guru granth sahib mentioned nor any gurus named doesnt that make the sikhs think!!!

and i dont understand why arab christians use Allah!!!
isnt the word in arabic for God ilah? and gods ilahs?
Allah is the unique name for Allah swt and none who believe in Him should be able to use it to refer to other beings than ONLY Him!

(sorry about the exclamation marks lol)

but i just totally disagree wth that...
when i hear stuff like this it just makes me think man when are people going to wake up and use common sense... i say its signs of the qiyamah the whole world has lost the plot!

next you will be getting Hindus asking for permission to name Ganesh Allah (Astaghfirullah)

NO offence to any brothers and sisters frm other religions whatsoever, i respect all believes but i just dont agree with what they are tryingto do thats all.

ma salama.

Koi bole ram, koi khuda, koi sevakgosian, koi allahi. So many names of God, but he remins one. Please use your brain child. God is one you CAN'T patent his name!!!

Guru Nanak or any other Guru was not muslim or hindu he makes that clear in his verses NA MAIN HINDU NA MAIN MUSLAMAN!

 

[Eeman]

ok fair enough, but then again, the Qur'an was revealed in arabic hence why you have Allah "arabic word" for God referring to God.

torah and injeel were also previous scriptures of the Amlighty Lord. so the arabic christians would make sense to say God in arabic.

the word in Hindi for God is bagwan i dont know what the word for God in punjabi would be which is the language that many sikhs speak so why not stick to your own language and refer to the god that they believe in, in their own language?

 

[Eeman]

Erm, we don't need to believe in anything but Allah. We respect other religions, but we don't follow them!

Get educated before you make silly posts. Allah belongs to EVERYBODY. Only fools quarrell over who he's for and who he's not for!

dear brother im not quarreling about who Allah swt is for.
just like He is the one that created me He also created you, my argument was merely over the word not over Allah. that is a silly presumption i must say made by you.

In my prespective i dont think it is logical for sikhs who dont even believe in Allah swt to use the word which is arabic that has nothing to do with their language and refer it to their god.

i'm not gonna sit here and argue about the god that you believe in not being the true God. i dont believe in sikhism nor practise it just like you dont believe in islam nor practice it.

surah 109 al kafiroon

To you be your religion to me mine.

Peace brother.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

ok fair enough, but then again, the Qur'an was revealed in arabic hence why you have Allah "arabic word" for God referring to God.

torah and injeel were also previous scriptures of the Amlighty Lord. so the arabic christians would make sense to say God in arabic.

the word in Hindi for God is bagwan i dont know what the word for God in punjabi would be which is the language that many sikhs speak so why not stick to your own language and refer to the god that they believe in, in their own language?

It's the one. This mention of God in the scrptures shows what other religions do not reflect this. That there is only one God and not a God for Muslims and one for Christians and one for tha troll who lives under the bridge...

God in Panjabi is Waheguru - The verses are written by Muslims Saints. SO why would thet not use the term Allah?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

dear brother im not quarreling about who Allah swt is for.
just like He is the one that created me He also created you, my argument was merely over the word not over Allah. that is a silly presumption i must say made by you.

In my prespective i dont think it is logical for sikhs who dont even believe in Allah swt to use the word which is arabic that has nothing to do with their language and refer it to their god.

i'm not gonna sit here and argue about the god that you believe in not being the true God. i dont believe in sikhism nor practise it just like you dont believe in islam nor practice it.

surah 109 al kafiroon

To you be your religion to me mine.

Peace brother.

You are not reading my posts sister. THERE IS ONE GOD. Not my God and your God. Sikhs beleive in Allah, we just do not accept the ways of Islam, as they are not the true way for us. Hence us respecting it, but not going on a crusade over it.

''Jis Nu Toon Jaania So Jan Jania' - Whom he gives his knowledge to, shall fathom''

 

[S1aveofA11ah]

Erm, we don't need to believe in anything but Allah. We respect other religions, but we don't follow them!

Get educated before you make silly posts. Allah belongs to EVERYBODY. Only fools quarrell over who he's for and who he's not for!

I'm not sure what you mean by Allah belongs to EVERYBODY. I think you may be using the word 'belongs' in a confusing fashion. Allah is not OWNED by anybody. If you mean (which is what I think you do) he is the God of everybody i.e. the sole creator of all mankind and that no human has an exclusive right over Allah then I understand your point. Sorry, its proberly just the wording.

The Jews, Chrisitans and the Hindus all actually believe in the EXISTENCE of the one, exact and same God i.e. Allah - the one true God who has no partners, rivals etc.

However, Islamically this belief in his existence ALONE does not make one a Muslim as one must believe that He (Allah) is the ONLY one to be worshipped and the crux of that is to worship Allah AS HE PRESCRIBED. After all we humans who are prone to errors could not devise error-free ways to worship God properly. Worship would become nonsensical over time.

So the worship God has prescribed for mankind MUST be adhered to strictly and hence the fundamental belief in the Qur'an, The Last Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) etc. Without these beliefs and followings one is not a Muslim.

 

[Eeman]

Koi bole ram, koi khuda, koi sevakgosian, koi allahi. So many names of God, but he remins one. Please use your brain child. God is one you CAN'T patent his name!!!

Guru Nanak or any other Guru was not muslim or hindu he makes that clear in his verses NA MAIN HINDU NA MAIN MUSLAMAN!

dear brother, i suggest you READ the whole thread i was not the one saying guru nanak was muslim as far as im concerned guru nanak was sikh hence why he brought about sikhism, common logic i must say.

i'm sorry as regards ram i do not agree with you there you cannot associate the Almighty Lord who is unseen to a man made idol named ram, khuda is the persian word for God is urdu the same. you do not get english christians refering to jesus as khuda. i dont even know what sevakgosian means so im not gonna refer to that i tried googling it but nothing came up.
yet again Allah means God in arabic so makes sense for arabic speakers to refer to their God be it muslims or christian arabs.

we believe God is one, christians dont, hindus dont you might, but for someone to have such believes and call upon God by saying hai ram errr doesnt that contradict their whole believe?

 

[Eeman]

It's the one. This mention of God in the scrptures shows what other religions do not reflect this. That there is only one God and not a God for Muslims and one for Christians and one for tha troll who lives under the bridge...

God in Panjabi is Waheguru - The verses are written by Muslims Saints. SO why would thet not use the term Allah?

so let me get this right!
you guys believe that the verses of guru granth sahib were written by muslim saints???

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

I'm not sure what you mean by Allah belongs to EVERYBODY. I think you may be using the word 'belongs' in a confusing fashion. Allah is not OWNED by anybody. If you mean (which is what I think you do) he is the God of everybody i.e. the sole creator of all mankind and that no human has an exclusive right over Allah then I understand your point. Sorry, its proberly just the wording.

The Jews, Chrisitans and the Hindus all actually believe in the EXISTENCE of the one, exact and same God i.e. Allah - the one true God who has no partners, rivals etc.

However, Islamically this belief in his existence ALONE does not make one a Muslim as one must believe that He (Allah) is the ONLY one to be worshipped and the crux of that is to worship Allah AS HE PRESCRIBED. After all we humans who are prone to errors could not devise error-free ways to worship God properly. Worship would become nonsensical over time.

So the worship God has prescribed for mankind MUST be adhered to strictly and hence the fundamental belief in the Qur'an, The Last Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) etc. Without these beliefs and followings one is not a Muslim.

Yes, my wording wasn't the best selected. Just had to answer as many post ASAP or I would have hyperventilated (sp)

Sikhs are not Muslims, we have never claimed to be (it's muslims who say we are etc) Hindus say we are hindus (again were are not)

What the purpose of Sikhi was, that as it's the last relgion to have been introduced to the world. The Gurus were ordered by Allah to reveal the name of God once more. As those that have come previously, have either distorted the message or have swayed off the path. Allah is one, and we do not follow Mohammed but he is respcted just like all the other Prophets of ohter faiths.

The Shri Guru Granth Sahib is the divin word for us which has been written by the Sikh Prophets and no other. (Unlike the Bible Quran Vedas etc) This to us seals that message. God sends down the Prophets and then ASKS them to write the message THEMSELVES. Left to any tom dick or harry, well it's prone to distortion you'll find!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

so let me get this right!
you guys believe that the verses of guru granth sahib were written by muslim saints???

We don't just believe we KNOW!

Shri Sian Shekih Farid Ji & more- Google it, you'll learn something!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Ram is not the one who was betrothed to Sita. Ram, in hinduism is the name for God. Hindusim has faltered into idloatry, we do not associate God with idols.