Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

[Simple_Person]

Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

As-salamu Alaikum

Each day i just go through the news and today i saw something that grabbed my attention. A year or two ago i was trying to find out about the hadith with the mountain of gold and Euphrates river. Today i saw a interesting article.

"#1) Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold, so whoever will be present at that time should not take anything of it." Al-A'raj narrated from Abii Huraira that the Prophet said the same but he said, "It (Euphrates) will uncover a mountain of gold (under it).""

Bukhari Shareef
The Book of Afflictions and the End of the World
Hadith Number: 235

Source used: https://www.facebook.com/notes/madina/the-drying-of-euphrates-river-and-the-sign-of-end-times-part-13/411928966836/

News article that i read. https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201703081051370769-turkey-syria-water-euphrates/

"Turkey has been withholding water from the Euphrates River for a month. The politician explained that Ankara has been doing it occasionally, then abruptly releasing it."

Logic says if you withhold something and suddenly release it again especially with water the power of the release like a wave removes what was usually firm in the ground with the steady flow before (mud/sand/old tree branches/stuff stuck in the ground). Also we know by fact that water chooses the easiest way out to flow. So if a dam withholds the flow, water will seek the possibility to force itself through another weak direction. Which again logically means, if the dam would stay or completely keep all the water from flowing it would look for another direction to flow. Which means Euphrates river will not longer exist as another "river" has come to existence so to say, which means Euphrates river will dry up...

This is off course the logic that i so far can come up with. You guys i am sure of it are more knowledgeable than me. I would appreciate it if you could share what i do not know.

Btw, Sheikh Imran Hossein thinks mountain of gold is oil, which i do not agree with him but everybody is entitled to their opinion off course.

 

[Scimitar]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Excellent premise for a thread, and it's got my interest.

Hopefully I will come back later to reply to this and add some thing in sha Allah.

But for now, time to make some food. in sha Allah

Scimi

EDIT:

Before I pop off, I just wanted to lay some foundation here first.

According to the Old Testament Torah, the book of Genesis describes 4 rivers of Paradise on earth, and names them thus: Pishon, Gihon, Euphrates and Tigris.

Euphrates and Tigris are still here... but what happened to Gihon and Pishon?

Stay tuned to find out in sha Allah.

Scimi

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

#2) Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come before the Euphrates uncovers a mountain of gold, for which people would fight. Ninety-nine out of each one hundred would die but every man amongst them would say that perhaps he would be the one who would be saved (and thus possess this gold).

Muslim Shareef
The Book of Pertaining to the Turmoil and Portents of the Last Hour
Hadith Number: 6918

Source used: https://www.facebook.com/notes/madi...d-the-sign-of-end-times-part-13/411928966836/

A few questions for your brains to also process and teach me what i haven't come up with.

Where would this mountain of gold be revealed? From historical findings we know large parts of modern day Syria has had civilizations and also modern day Iraq. As a Kurd myself having spent sometime in trying to find out historical facts where the Kurds came from..my conclusion has ended me to Mesopotamia as their source of origin itself and not nomads as some have claimed.

Mesopotamia: http://www.crystalinks.com/AkkadMap.jpg

Here another picture that depicts somehow something similar..

Mesopotamia: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...320px-N-Mesopotamia_and_Syria_english.svg.png

Looking at how Kurds see the modern day "the Greater Kurdistan"...

http://www.institutkurde.org/images/cartes_and_maps/ckur100.gif

Here another picture..

http://schema-root.org/region/middle_east/kurdistan/kurdistan.gif

As you can see something very similar to historical Mesopotamia. I also saw some of the things pointing at the origin of Mesopotamia..being Prophet Nuh (as) and his boat coming to a halt on mount Judi. This is the HEART of the greater Kurdistan. Which logically speaking would explain why Mesopotamia is branded as cradle of civilization. Also many empires have risen and perished in and around Mesopotamia.

So why do i say all this? Well all those empires that have risen and perished one could MAYBE pinpoint the location where the mountain of gold would be revealed. However the question again is, who will be the ones that will fight for that treasure? As right now Euphrates starts in Kurdish area of Turkey in hands of the Turks and Kurdish held area by YPG of northern Syria also parts in the hands of Syrian army and Turkish Army. Then it slowly coming in ISIS territory. At the end being in southern Iraq by majority being Shia Arabs.

IF this would still be within the time that ISIS has control over some land, be fought among groups or among people of a group? Reading that hadith looks like among people of a certain group.

Gold by mass is heavy, so it would sink to the bottom if thrown in. Is the amount of gold by sudden waves slowly brought to a certain place or is all that gold some day just dumped by an empire? If we look at google maps..the Euphrates river becomes very narrow from "Al-Thawrah". However is that the most deep spot of the Euphrates?

Also which kind of group would kill their own brothers to achieve gold? Among Turks? Arabs? Kurds? ISIS members?

This also confirms yet another thing. The people among themselves will have no taqwa. As they be willing to kill one another for for dunya. If they might be Muslims, they both ending in hellfire as this reminds me of the hadith that if a Muslim kills another Muslims both ending up in hell fire. As the murdered killed and the dead one intended to kill the one who was alive.

Questions..questions..questions..

 

[Serinity]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold



What is interesting is that The Prophet :saws: prohibited us from taking any of the gold. I wonder, why?

And Allah :swt: knows best.

 

[Scimitar]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Which logically speaking would explain why Mesopotamia is branded as cradle of civilization.

Just to clarify for you bro Simple_Person,

During the time of Nuh Alaihis Salaam, when the ark settled, it was now up to his three sons to repopulate the earth with their wives.

Nuh Alaihis Salaam had three sons. Ham, Shem and Yafith, may Allah be well pleased with them all, ameen.

Ham settled what we know as Sudan/Egypt area today


Shem settled in Babylon.

Yafith went to the wild lands north of Judi, (through the Caucuses) and settled there.

According to historians, there is no single cradle of civilisation, but mulitple ones - they name these three specifically. While claiming in the same breath that we descended from apes

They say our common ancestor is an ape, and that there is no proof that we descended from a trio of genetic donors, ala Ham Shem and Yafith.

So I ask them, name me the main blood groups, and they say A, B, O and a fourth group which occurs from genetic mixing of two of the previous groups. So in the main they cite, A,B and O.

I ask them to explain, HOW? they say they do not know. I say - Ham Shem and Yafith.

Badabing Badaboom.

Anyway, no single cradle of civilisation - but multiple ones, always multiple ones. You'll see this if you study history bro.

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With regards to the Mountain of Gold being fought over in the Euphrates.

Bro, you ever heard the term: "Fools Gold" ????

Guess what? that meaning just took on a whole other meaning

Scimi

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Just to clarify for you bro Simple_Person,

During the time of Nuh Alaihis Salaam, when the ark settled, it was now up to his three sons to repopulate the earth with their wives.

Nuh Alaihis Salaam had three sons. Ham, Shem and Yafith, may Allah be well pleased with them all, ameen.

Ham settled what we know as Sudan/Egypt area today


Shem settled in Babylon.

Yafith went to the wild lands north of Judi, (through the Caucuses) and settled there.

According to historians, there is no single cradle of civilisation, but mulitple ones - they name these three specifically. While claiming in the same breath that we descended from apes

They say our common ancestor is an ape, and that there is no proof that we descended from a trio of genetic donors, ala Ham Shem and Yafith.

So I ask them, name me the main blood groups, and they say A, B, O and a fourth group which occurs from genetic mixing of two of the previous groups. So in the main they cite, A,B and O.

I ask them to explain, HOW? they say they do not know. I say - Ham Shem and Yafith.

Badabing Badaboom.

Anyway, no single cradle of civilisation - but multiple ones, always multiple ones. You'll see this if you study history bro.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________

With regards to the Mountain of Gold being fought over in the Euphrates.

Bro, you ever heard the term: "Fools Gold" ????

Guess what? that meaning just took on a whole other meaning

Scimi

Nuh (as) had also more people with him. I have heard maybe not more than 80 followers. So it wasn't just his own family. But much appriciated that you gave me the information regarding the re population of his sons. I did not know that.

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

What is interesting is that The Prophet :saws: prohibited us from taking any of the gold. I wonder, why?

And Allah :swt: knows best.

Well one thing could be, as killing will take place might be one of the reasons. So we kill people to gain ownership over the gold while in Islam killing somebody is ONLY out of defense and also when somebody is sentenced to death according to certain laws. While killing people to gain ownership has nothing to do with Islam right?

 

[Serinity]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Well one thing could be, as killing will take place might be one of the reasons. So we kill people to gain ownership over the gold while in Islam killing somebody is ONLY out of defense and also when somebody is sentenced to death according to certain laws. While killing people to gain ownership has nothing to do with Islam right?

Killing people for transient material gain is one of the vilest things one can do.. Not Islamic at all. If I had to do that, such gold would be worthless to me. Cause I wouldn't feel at peace to kill humans for some material gain.

There is also Offensive Jihad - which is not to be confused with barbaric acts. I.e. killing innocents, or mindlessly invading countries. Afaik. Allah :swt: forgive me if I said anything wrong. Ameen.

Allahu alam.

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Killing people for transient material gain is one of the vilest things one can do.. Not Islamic at all. If I had to do that, such gold would be worthless to me. Cause I wouldn't feel at peace to kill humans for some material gain.

There is also Offensive Jihad - which is not to be confused with barbaric acts. I.e. killing innocents, or mindlessly invading countries. Afaik. Allah :swt: forgive me if I said anything wrong. Ameen.

Allahu alam.

Are you referring offensive jihad meaning preemptive strike? Logically this is still defensive.

 

[Scimitar]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Nuh (as) had also more people with him. I have heard maybe not more than 80 followers. So it wasn't just his own family. But much appriciated that you gave me the information regarding the re population of his sons. I did not know that.

I hear a lot of things bro. I prefer to look at things from an unbiased perspective - I even eye ahadeeth with suspicion bro. I need more than just the records of men. I need the sciences. I need the histories. I need the ologies which come with these two studies to be understood to at least a basic level so I can know what I am looking at, and not fool myself due to an pre-supposed bias. If, after all this, what I find is consistent with hadeeth - bro, I'm convinced.

It may seem as though I am off topic here, but was China ever considered a Muslim nation?

And if not, then how is it that within their Chinese Language Characters, there is a theme of continuity which alludes to Ancient Chinese being descended from Monotheism?

Too cryptic? Let me shed some more light on this in sha Allah.

The Chinese character for BOAT, is a boat with 8 figures on it - and the history of the character is "flood myth".

So who are the 8?

Nuh and his wife, his three sons and their wives? (PBUT) looks like it.

Here, check it out:

Very interesting - I had no idea that Chinese characters have their roots in ancient biblical lore.

If that got you thinking, then watch these.

Blew my mind.

Scimi

I would spend a lot more time explaining the coding of Chinese characters and the history of humanity. The Chinese characters are coded with stories from the Prophets pbut - but for all purposes intended, this is enough for now, and I'd rather come back to the topic itself and expand more on Euphrates, Tigris, Pishon and Gihon in sha Allah.

Scimi

 

[aaj]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

There was a report down by sky news I believe that stated that the river will dry up by 2024. And there are videos on youtube showing some people getting gold from down the stream already.

What people don't realize is that the enemies of Islam believe more in Islam then the Muslims. They are invading these Muslim nations and asking the captives to tell them "where the mahdi is hiding" and setting up camp along the river while some Muslims are casting doubt on the ahadith.

What is interesting is that The Prophet :saws: prohibited us from taking any of the gold. I wonder, why?

And Allah :swt: knows best.

:wasalam:

Because it is a fitnah. There will be lot of killing over it, 1 out of 100 will return. The ISIS is taking land along side this river, moving up and downstream. Not a typical strategy of anyone who would want to take over a land in general.

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

There was a report down by sky news I believe that stated that the river will dry up by 2024. And there are videos on youtube showing some people getting gold from down the stream already.

What people don't realize is that the enemies of Islam believe more in Islam then the Muslims. They are invading these Muslim nations and asking the captives to tell them "where the mahdi is hiding" and setting up camp along the river while some Muslims are casting doubt on the ahadith.



:wasalam:

Because it is a fitnah. There will be lot of killing over it, 1 out of 100 will return. The ISIS is taking land along side this river, moving up and downstream. Not a typical strategy of anyone who would want to take over a land in general.

If you have those videos, please do share. Also about the asking of the Mahdi..that i have also heard.

 

[aaj]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

If you have those videos, please do share. Also about the asking of the Mahdi..that i have also heard.

I do not. But you can search on youtube and will find it. Look for phrases like "Euphrates river gold" , "Euphrates dry up" , "Euphrates sky news" etc

 

[noraina]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Assalamu alaykum,

This is such an interesting discussion, I'm reading through it closely.

Me and my sister often talk about similar topics and make it a point to research them - I can't say we ever find conclusive evidence all the time, but just gaining the knowledge that is available is worth it.

I do focus on the mainstream Islamic studies to further my more practical knowledge of the deen, but the area of the philosophical sides of hadiths and Islamic theology and eschatology is fascinating to study. Often the difficulty is in finding authentic information, particularly on the internet.

 

[Scimitar]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

particularly on the internet.

yet,

here we are

Walakum salaam

Scimi

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Assalamu alaykum,

This is such an interesting discussion, I'm reading through it closely.

Me and my sister often talk about similar topics and make it a point to research them - I can't say we ever find conclusive evidence all the time, but just gaining the knowledge that is available is worth it.

I do focus on the mainstream Islamic studies to further my more practical knowledge of the deen, but the area of the philosophical sides of hadiths and Islamic theology and eschatology is fascinating to study. Often the difficulty is in finding authentic information, particularly on the internet.

By brainstorming about something with philosophical argument although it is not authentic in the end as for philosophical discussions you may not have the evidence to back it up...you at least keep an open mind for it. Having a open mind for the possibilities that come out of a philosophical discussion. So in the end what does this has as an benefit?.. Preparations....knowing what may come a person can prepare for it in advance. Just like dajjal that we should strengthen our imaan and and knowing about what he can do we flee from him. Or even buying the necessary tools to for if we may experience those times to survive in nature.

So all in all I have found almost no Muslims who are interested in the discussion of the end times. It is very illogical and irrational to not talk about it. The only scholar that I have found that talks about it actively as his main subject is Sheikh Imran Hosein.

Which is kind of bizarre. As if you could say scholars knowingly don't want to talk about. Funny thing is..in all the time I have been to khutbas I have heard no talk about dajjal..52 Fridays in a year......yet not one being about him ...

May Allah protect us from this fitna. Ameen.

 

[greenhill]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

So all in all I have found almost no Muslims who are interested in the discussion of the end times. It is very illogical and irrational to not talk about it. The only scholar that I have found that talks about it actively as his main subject is Sheikh Imran Hosein.

They are, I am sure...

I did post, maybe about a year back something about this - discussion on end times. I quoted from a site. The author did mention that of one the biggest (if not the biggest topic in the Quran is about that) and he was saying that our ulammas and scholars have largely refused to look into them. I felt he had a strong point, very valid and points to an area we muslims have ignored.

However, because he pointed out lack of knowledge of our ulammas and scholars, it was not very well received by our mods. I can understand that. But he was not rude against our ulammas, merely pointing out strongly that this topic has been ignored and will remain being ignored.

Sad.


eace:

 

[greenhill]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Btw, Sheikh Imran Hossein thinks mountain of gold is oil, which i do not agree with him but everybody is entitled to their opinion off course.

One thing about him though, is that he builds his arguments very well. It is well researched and he dares to stick his neck out to say. He is not foretelling but he is warning. Allah will dispense whatever He wills. He uses the Quran as a guide and he tries to decipher messages that is written in the Quran itself. I hope other scholars can learn from him and develop it.

I have noticed over the years, as new information becomes available and understanding goes deeper, Imran Hossein has also shifted his views... or more correctly put, made adjustments. But overall, what I like about what he is doing is that he is challenging people to think.

Alhamdulillah for that.



eace:

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

One thing about him though, is that he builds his arguments very well. It is well researched and he dares to stick his neck out to say. He is not foretelling but he is warning. Allah will dispense whatever He wills. He uses the Quran as a guide and he tries to decipher messages that is written in the Quran itself. I hope other scholars can learn from him and develop it.

I have noticed over the years, as new information becomes available and understanding goes deeper, Imran Hossein has also shifted his views... or more correctly put, made adjustments. But overall, what I like about what he is doing is that he is challenging people to think.

Alhamdulillah for that.



eace:

The person that adjusts his opinion about something when new events have occurred is a honest person. I can say X today, but if thing have happened i cannot stick with X as new factors have come in to play. He indeed brings out a good argument that is why i also always watch his videos to learn one or two things. But like any scholars and he SAYS himself..do not agree with me, unless we have done our homework and are convinced ourselves. This is a very good trait i must say. As he wants us to think for our selves and not become sheep as he himself also acknowledges that knowledge doesn't come only from him. He wants to learn also from other people.

About English speaking scholars..they repeat what has been said about the end times..but nobody like sheikh Imran Hossein tries to understand what those things are trying to say OR i am just blind i haven't found any but there are more then enough.

I am btw not sure if scholars are afraid of something..(governments, people behind the curtains trying to get the Mahdi.. ). As i am sure that this forum is even being monitored about what knowledge we are spreading.

 

[aaj]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Euphrates River and Mountain of Gold


"The river level is very low, it's the lowest it has ever been that we can remember," says fisherman Sa'ad Naji."

"We began looking around the area, and we found clay jars and old bones, coins and even some gold jewelry"

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/euphrates-river-mountain-gold-mufti-fahad-ahmed-qureshi



Iraq Suffers as the Euphrates River Dwindles

The Euphrates is drying up. Strangled by the water policies of Iraq’s neighbors, Turkey and Syria; a two-year drought; and years of misuse by Iraq and its farmers, the river is significantly smaller than it was just a few years ago. Some officials worry that it could soon be half of what it is now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/14/world/middleeast/14euphrates.html


ISIS Attempts to dry up the Euphrates River


The Islamic State group has reduced the amount of water flowing to government-held areas in Iraq’s western Anbar province, an official said Thursday. The reduced flow through an insurgent-held dam on the Euphrates River will threaten irrigation systems and water treatment plants in nearby areas controlled by troops and tribes opposed to the extremist group, provincial council member Taha Abdul-Ghani told The Associated Press.

Abdul-Ghani said there would be no immediate effect on Shiite areas in central and southern Iraq, saying water is being diverted to those areas from the Tigris River. On Wednesday, the United Nations said it was looking into reports that the IS group had reduced the flow of water through the al-Warar dam.

“The use of water as a tool of war is to be condemned in no uncertain terms,” the spokesman for the U.N. secretary-general, Stephane Dujarric, told reporters. “These kinds of reports are disturbing, to say the least.” FULL REPORT




Euphrates to dry up by Christmas 2023

In 2007, Redsky published an article based on an Environment Protection Agency (E.P.A.) report which had predicted the Euphrates could dry up by 2025. Redsky stated that 2023 was more likely and in keeping with Global Meltdown Domino Effect Timescale

http://redskynews.com/euphrates-to-dry-up-by-christmas-2023/