What is the proof of the Coming of the Mahdi and the Decension of Isa?

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Okay the following is the reason why i don't believe in Prophet Isa's being alive currently only to appear at some time..Also may i add this was not the belief of the early muslims..in Imam Malik's Muwatta there is no reference of Prophet Isa's return nor is there ANY hadeeth abou the Imam Mahdi.

This begs the Question..If such a belief was so important in Islam..then why didnt Imam Malik include it? He was born 100 years after the death of Prophet Muhammed and even his grandfather lived during Prophet Muhammed's time..also Imam Malik was based in the city of Madina. the city that inherited the sunnah of Prophet Muhammed in its purest form.

Also there is no hadeeth about Imam Mahdi in Bukhari or Muslim. There are hadeeths about Imam Mahdi in the other sunni hadeeth books...and the only ones to have brought this belief into the sunni fold are the Shias. Please read this article about the Shiite Imam Mahdi.
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Verse 158 of Chapter 4:.
بَلْ رَفَعَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَزِيزاً حَكِيما


Translation by M. Asad: Nay, God exalted him unto Himself - and God is indeed almighty, wise.

Commentary Number 172 by M. Asad to the above verse reads:
Cf. 3:55, where God says to Jesus, "Verily, I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee to Me." The verb rafa'ahu (lit., "he raised him" or "elevated him") has always, whenever the act of raf' ("elevating") of human being is attributed to God, the meaning of "honouring" or "exalting". Nowhere in the Qur’an is there any warrant for the popular belief that God has "taken up" Jesus bodily, in his lifetime, into heaven. The expression "God exalted him unto Himself" in the above verse denotes the elevation of Jesus to the realm of God's special grace - a blessing in which all prophets partake, as it is evident from 19:57, where the verb rafa'nahu ("We exalted him") is used with regard to the Prophet Idris,


وَاذْكُرْ فِي الْكِتَابِ إِدْرِيسَ إِنَّهُ كَانَ صِدِّيقاً نَّبِيّاً
19.56 . And make mention in the Scripture of Idris . Lo! he was a saint , a Prophet ;

وَرَفَعْنَاهُ مَكَاناً عَلِيّاً

19.57 . And We raised him to a lofty station


(See also Muhammad Abduh in Manar III, 316 f., and VI, 20f.) The "nay" (bal) at the beginning of the sentence is meant to stress the contrast between belief of the Jesus that they had put Jesus to a shameful death on the cross and the fact of God's having "exalted him unto Himself."



قَالَ اللَّهُ يَاعِيسَى إِنِّي مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَيَّ وَمُطَهِّرُكَ مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُو
Translation by Yusuf Ali:
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myselfand clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme;

Translation by M. Asad:
Lo! God said: "O Jesus! Verily, I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee unto Me, and cleanse thee of [the presence of] those who are bent on denying the truth;



Verse 253 of Chapter 2:

تِلْكَ الرُّسُلُ فَضَّلْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَى بَعْض ٍ مِنْهُمْ مَنْ كَلَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَفَعَ بَعْضَهُمْ دَرَجَات

Translation by Yusuf Ali:
Those apostles We endowed with gifts some above others: to one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honor)...

Translation by M. Asad:
Some of these apostles have We endowed more highly than others, among them were such as were spoken to by God [Himself], and some He has raised yet higher


Also read this
Islamic View of the Coming/Return of Jesus
By: Dr. Ahmad Shafaat

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Not true. He will come down as establised by the Quran and the Hadith and the opinions of the Ulema.

THE FIRST REFERENCE: is in Surah Nisaa’, verses (156-159). As for the context of these verses, Allah, the Exalted, mentions the fabrications of the Jews, their slander of Mary, their rejection of Faith, and claim that they killed Jesus son of Mary - the Messenger of Allah. Thereupon Allah, the Exalted, declares the falsity of these claims and says, "And because of their saying (boasting), ‘We killed Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah,’ - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it was made to appear to them so." [an-Nisaa’ 4:157]

"But Allah raised him up (with his body and soul) unto Himself; and Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise." [an-Nisaa’ 4:158]

So, if anyone claims that only the soul was raised, it would be incorrect, as is shown from the two following perspectives.


FIRSTLY, Allah made a mention of this raise in the context of refutation of the claim of the Jews that they killed the Christ. So, if it were that only the soul was raised, then that would actually mean an acknowledgment of the claim of the Jews that they killed the Christ - which is to remove his soul!


SECONDLY, if it were true that only his soul was raised, there would remain no distinction for Jesus above the rest. For all Prophets (peace be upon them), and in fact all believing Muslims, have their souls raised to the sky upon their death. So, does there remain anything that distinguishes Jesus, for which Allah makes a special marked mention in the Quran that He raised him?

After establishing this point, another Quranic verse follows in the same context of the ones that preceded. This one clearly bears evidence on another return of the Christ (peace be upon him) to the earth and that he will descend from the sky. The purpose of this is the crucial role he will play upon his return to the earth. Allah, the Exalted, says, "And there is none of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) but must believe in him (Jesus son of Mary as a Messenger of Allah and a human being) before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection, he will be a witness against them." [an-Nisaa’ 4:159]

The verse presents the message in a future tense, so it is with regards to the events to come after the raising of the Christ. It informs that some of the People of the Book will believe in the Christ. But when will that be? It will be upon his descent, his return and coming onto the earth once again. Imam Tabari, the renowned scholar of the Quranic exegesis (may Allah cover him in mercy), explained this. He said, “The meaning of the verse ‘And there is none of the people of the Scripture but must believe in him’, that is: in Jesus, ‘before his death’, that is: before the death of Jesus. It is explained as follows: that all of them will affirm and acknowledge him when he descends to kill the Antichrist, thereafter, all the religion will give way to only the one, which is the pure upright religion of Islam - the religion of Abraham (may the peace be him)." [See Tafsir at-Tabari 4:356-357].


THE SECOND REFERENCE in the Noble Quran to the imperative nature of the descent of Jesus Christ, the son of Mary, in order to complete the task that must be done on the earth, is found in Surah Zukhruf in the Quran. Allah, the Exalted, says in it, "And when the son of Mary is quoted as an example (i.e. Jesus worshipped like their idols), behold, your people cry aloud (laugh out at the example). And say: Are our gods better or is he (i.e. Jesus)? They quoted not the above example except for argument. Nay! But they are a quarrelsome people. He (i.e. Jesus) was not more than a slave. We granted Our Favor to him, and We made him an example for the Children of Israel (i.e. his creation without a father). And if it were Our Will, We would have (destroyed you all, and) made angels to replace you on the earth. And he (i.e. Jesus) shall be a known sign for (the coming of) the Hour (i.e. Day of Resurrection). Therefore have no doubt concerning it. And follow Me (i.e. Allah)! This is the Straight Path." [az-Zukhruf 43:57-61].

In another recitation, it is recited as "And he shall be a mark". It means, a symbol, a portent, a sign of the Hour. [See Fathu-l Qadeer of Shawkaani, (4/562) for references of those who read it so.]

How can Jesus son Mary, be a sign of the Hour (Doomsday)? It cannot be except with his descent being in the last stage and period. His descent would then be a great sign and one of the major portents of the Hour - a sign that announces the closeness of its occurrence. This is how the verse has commonly been explained by the scholars of Tafsir (exegesis of the Quran). Amongst them are Mujahid, Suddee, Qatada, Hasan al-Basri, Dahhaak and Ibn Zayd. It is also the saying of Ibn Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him). They all have stated this explicitly, that Jesus son of Mary is one of the signs of the Hour in the sense that he will descend and rule the earth and dwell therein for forty years, as is mentioned in the authentic hadith, that will be mentioned shortly. And his descent will be one of the great signs of Allah and one of the supreme portents of the Hour.


THE THIRD REFERENCE TO IT IN THE QURAN The deduction from this text is indeed remarkable. One notes that there is hardly ever a mention of the story of Jesus (in the Quran) except that it is mentioned along with it that, "He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood" [Aal `Imraan 3: 46, and al-Maa’ida 5:110]. In this, Allah mentioned two remarkable and rare events, that are also two dazzling signs (proofs) of Allah found in the character of Jesus Christ.


THE FIRST MATTER is that he spoke in the cradle while still an infant. This does not occur except as a miracle from Allah, the Mighty, and the Magnificent. That is why it has never occurred except with three people as has been established in the authentic hadith narrated by Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him). [See Saheeh Bukhari (4/201-202)]. So the speaking of Jesus (peace be on him) in the cradle was indeed a sign, and there was a need, and the circumstance called for it as the mother of Jesus came to be held in suspicion due to the birth, `how can a woman give birth without a husband?' They even voiced this explicitly, as reported in the Quran, "Your father was not a man who used to commit adultery, nor your mother was an unchaste woman." [Maryam 19:28]

So, a miracle was required to prove her innocence and to prove that the birth was another such a miracle. Thus the infant spoke in the cradle, an extraordinary, unaccustomed event. But the verse couples this miraculous event, with the mention of another event - of him speaking as a middle-aged adult. But every one speaks at that age. So where is the miracle in that? The Arabic word used in the verse that refers to that stage of his life, is Kuhoola, which is used for a person past the age of forty and up to the age of fifty or sixty years. Is it at all remarkable that one speaks at the age of sixty or even seventy?! So where is the miracle that is alluded to in this section of the verse which mentions that Jesus speaks as a middle aged man?
This shows that just as his speech in the cradle as an infant was a miracle, likewise he will descend and speak to the people as a middle aged man in the last stages of this world, making his descent and speech thereupon, also a miracle. Otherwise, there is no miracle in a sixty or seventy year old communicating by speech!


So the evidence from this section of the verse in the Quran that he will speak to the people as a middle-aged adult is from the following two perspectives.


FIRSTLY, some of the scholars of Islam, amongst them is ibn Musayyab, stated that Jesus son of Mary, was raised to the sky while he was at an age of thirty three years, in the prime of his youth (referred to in Arabic as Shabaab, which is a stage prior to the one mentioned in the Quran, Kuhoola). So he had not yet reached the stage of Kuhoola.


SECONDLY, here comes the aspect of amazement, marvel and the miracle. The aspect, which bears evidence on the point, is that he speaks to the people as a middle-aged man (in Kuhoola) after having been raised, and his being raised is indeed an astonishing event. And he will descend, and his descent is also another astonishing, remarkable event. He will then speak to the people and will live after his descent for forty years. This forty added to the thirty years makes him someone who would have reached the age of Kuhoola, and having spoken at that age. He will then have spoken to the people as he spoke to them in the cradle. This is a clear and unambiguous indication that he (peace be upon him) will certainly complete his role and his part, and will descend towards the last stages and speak to the people as a middle-aged man, just as he spoke miraculously as an infant. Imam Tabari related from Abdurahman ibn Zayd that he said, ‘Jesus did indeed speak to them in the cradle, and he will speak to them when he kills the Antichrist, he will then be a kahl (middle-aged person)." [Tafsir Tabari 3/271]



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Now that it is established from the Quran, lets turn to the Hadiths:

Abd Allah ibn 'Amr said, "The Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wa sallam) said,
'The Dajjal will appear in my Ummah, and will remain for forty - "I cannot
say whether he meant forty days, forty months or forty years." Then Allah
will send Jesus (alayhe salam), the son of Mary, who will resemble 'Urwah
ibn Mas'ud.
He will chase the Dajjal and kill him. Then the people will
live for seven years during which there will be no enmity between any two
persons. Then Allah will send a cold wind from the direction of Syria,
which will take the soul of everyone who has the slightest speck of good
or faith in his heart. Even if one of you were to enter the heart of a
mountain, the wind would reach him there and take his soul.

"Only the most wicked people will be left; they will be as careless as
birds, with the characteristics of beasts, and will have no concern for
right and wrong. Satan will come to them in the form of man and will say,
"Don't you respond?" They will say, "What do you order us to do?" He will
order them to worship idols, and in spite of that they will have
sustenance in abundance, and lead comfortable lives.

"Then the Trumpet will be blown, and everyone will tilt their heads to
hear it. The first one to hear it will be a man busy repairing a trough
for his camels. He and everyone else will be struck down. Then Allah will
send (or send down) rain like dew, and the bodies of the people (ie the
dead) will grow out of it. Then the trumpet will be sounded again, and the
people will get up and look around. Then it will be said, "O people, go to
your Lord and account for yourselves." It will be said, "Bring out the
people of Hell," and it will be asked, "How many are there?" - the answer
will come: "Nine hundred and ninety-nine out of every thousand." On that
day a child will grow old and the shin will be laid bare." (Al-Qalam
68:42) (Muslim)

Abu Hurairah said, "The Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wa sallam) said, 'The
son of Mary will come down as a just leader. He will break the cross, and
kill the pigs.
Peace will prevail and people will use their swords as
sickles. Every harmful beast will be made harmless; the sky will send down
rain in abundance, and the earth will bring forth its blessings. A child
will play with a fox and not come to any harm; a wolf will graze with
sheep and a lion with cattle, without harming them." (Ahmad)

Abu Hurairah said, "The Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wa sallam) said, 'By
Him in Whose hand is my soul, surely the son of Mary will come down among
you as a just ruler.
He will break the cross, kill the pigs and abolish
the Jizyah. Wealth will be in such abundance that no-one will care about
it, and a single prostration in prayer will be better than the world and
all that is in it." Abu Hurairah said, 'If you wish, recite the Ayah:

"And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him
before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against
them ..." (Al-Nisa 4:159) (Bukhari, Muslim)


Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wa sallam) said,
"The Prophets are like brothers; they have different mothers but their
religion is one. Iam the closest of all the people to Jesus son of Mary,
because there is no other Prophet between him and myself. He will come
again, and when you see him, you will recognise him.
He is of medium
height and his colouring is reddish-white. He will be wearing two
garments, and his hair will look wet. He will break the cross, kill the
pigs, abolish the Jizyah and call the people to Islam. During his time,
Allah will end every religion and sect other than Islam, and will destroy
the Dajjal. Then peace and security will prevail on earth, so that lions
will graze with camels, tigers with cattle, and wolves with sheep;
children will be able to play with snakes without coming to any harm.
Jesus will remain for forty years, then die, and the Muslims will pray for
him." (Ahmad)

Ibn Masud reported that the Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wa sallam) said,
"On the night of the Isra (night journey), I met my father Abraham, Moses
and Jesus, and they discussed the Hour. The matter was referred first to
Abraham, then to Moses, and both said, 'I have no knowledge of it. Then it
was referred to Jesus, who said, 'No-one knows about its timing except
Allah; what my Lord told me was that the Dajjal will appear, and when he
sees me he will begin to melt like lead. Allah will destroy him when he
sees me.
The Muslims will fight against the Kafirs, and even the trees and
rocks will say, "O Muslim, there is a Kafir hiding beneath me - come and
kill him!" Allah will destroy the Kafirs, and the people will return to
their own lands. Then Gog and Magog will appear from all directions,
eating and drinking everything they find. The people will complain to me,
so I will pray to Allah and He will destroy them, so that the earth will
be filled with their stench. Allah will send rain which will wash their
bodies into the sea. My Lord has told me that when that happens, the Hour
will be very close, like a pregnant woman whose time is due, but her
family do not know exactly when she will deliver'" (Ahma, Ibn Majah)

DESCRIPTION OF THE MESSIAH JESUS SON OF MARY, MESSENGER OF ALLAH

Abu Hurairah said, "The Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wa sallam) said, 'On
the night of the Isra' (miraculous journey to Jerusalem) I met Moses - he
was a slim man with wavy hair, and looked like a man from the Shanu'ah
tribe. I also met Jesus - he was of medium height and of a red complexion,
as if he had just come out of the bath'" (Bukhari, Muslim)

The Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wa sallam) said, "Whilst I was asleep, I
saw myself (in a dream) making Tawaf around the Ka'bah. I saw a
brown-skinned man, with straight hair, being supported by two men, and
with water dripping from his head. I said, 'Who is this?' They said, 'The
son of Mary'I turned around and saw a fat, ruddy man, with curly hair, who
was blind in his right eye; his eye looked like a floating grape. I asked,
'Who is this?' They said, 'The Dajjal' The one who most resembles him is
Ibn Qatan." Al-Zuhri explained: Ibn Qatan was a man from Khuzaah who died
during the Jahiliyyah (before the coming of Islam). (Bukhari)


I think that the proofs are too many to reject sister. This was the belief of the Prophet (SAW) himself. There is no reason to reject it because some "scholors" today reject it.

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As for the Mahdi, the proofs themselves are too many to be rejected:

Dawud :: Book 36 : Hadith 4271

Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The Mahdi will be of my family, of the descendants of Fatimah. Abdullah ibn Ja'far said: I heard AbulMalih praising Ali ibn Nufayl and describing his good qualities

Dawud :: Book 36 : Hadith 4272

Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The Mahdi will be of my stock, and will have a broad forehead a prominent nose. He will fill the earth will equity and justice as it was filled with oppression and tyranny, and he will rule for seven years.




Dawud :: Book 36 : Hadith 4269

Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If only one day of this world remained. Allah would lengthen that day (according to the version of Za'idah), till He raised up in it a man who belongs to me or to my family whose father's name is the same as my father's, who will fill the earth with equity and justice as it has been filled with oppression and tyranny (according to the version of Fitr). Sufyan's version says: The world will not pass away before the Arabs are ruled by a man of my family whose name will be the same as mine.




Dawud :: Book 36 : Hadith 4270

Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If only one day of this time (world) remained, Allah would raise up a man from my family who would fill this earth with justice as it has been filled with oppression.




Dawud :: Book 36 : Hadith 4273

Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Disagreement will occur at the death of a caliph and a man of the people of Medina will come flying forth to Mecca. Some of the people of Mecca will come to him, bring him out against his will and swear allegiance to him between the Corner and the Maqam. An expeditionary force will then be sent against him from Syria but will be swallowed up in the desert between Mecca and Medina. When the people see that, the eminent saints of Syria and the best people of Iraq will come to him and swear allegiance to him between the Corner and the Maqam.
Then there will arise a man of Quraysh whose maternal uncles belong to Kalb and send against them an expeditionary force which will be overcome by them, and that is the expedition of Kalb. Disappointed will be the one who does not receive the booty of Kalb. He will divide the property, and will govern the people by the Sunnah of their Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and establish Islam on Earth. He will remain seven years, then die, and the Muslims will pray over him.




'The Mahdi is one of us, from among the people of my household. In one night Allah will inspire him and prepare him to carry out his task successfully.' (Ahmad)


Thawbaan narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, 'Three men will be killed at the place where your treasure is. Each of them will be the son of a Khalifah and none of them will get hold of the treasure. Then the black banners will come out of the east, and they will slaughter you in a way which has never been seen before.' Then he said something which I do not remember, 'then if you see him, go and give him your allegiance, even if you have to crawl over ice because he is the Khalifah of Allah, the Mahdi.' (Ibn Majah)


Again the proofs are too many to be questioned.


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Okay the following is the reason why i don't believe in Prophet Isa's being alive currently only to appear at some time..Also may i add this was not the belief of the early muslims..in Imam Malik's Muwatta there is no reference of Prophet Isa's return nor is there ANY hadeeth abou the Imam Mahdi.

Where did Imâm Mâlik say that he was collecting all the Ahâdîth pertaining to Islamic beliefs? He didn't. The Muwatta of Imâm Mâlik is only a small Musannaf collection.

And you're wrong about it not being part of the beliefs of early Muslims. This belief was unanimously transmitted by the early Muslims. I can quote hundreds of early scholars on the authenticity of the belief in the Mahdi. Many scholars wrote entire books on the Mahdi or included special sections on the Mahdi. Abdur-Razza As-San'ani (d. 211H) wrote an entire book on the the Mahdi.
Also there is no hadeeth about Imam Mahdi in Bukhari or Muslim. There are hadeeths about Imam Mahdi in the other sunni hadeeth books
The return of Prophet 'Îsa is mentioned in Sahîh Bukhârî, yet you still don't accept it. Thus, this argument can be discarded as a red-herring.

Secondly, the hadiths of the Mahdi do occur in Bukhari and Muslim, though the specific word 'mahdi' is only mentioned in other versions. Bukhari and Muslim both record the narration of Isa descending and being led in prayer by the Mahdi, as well as the armies arising from Khurasan.

There are over THIRTY distinct authentic hadith on Imam Mehdi and the scholars of hadith have declared belief in him to be Mutawâtir.
and the only ones to have brought this belief into the sunni fold are the Shias. Please read this article about the Shiite Imam Mahdi.
This claim really betrays complete ignorance on this subject. There is no basis for this claim whatsoever. None of these authentic ahadith on the Mahdi contain Shias in their chain of narration.
Verse 158 of Chapter 4:.
بَلْ رَفَعَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَزِيزاً حَكِيما

[...] Nowhere in the Qur’an is there any warrant for the popular belief that God has "taken up" Jesus bodily, in his lifetime, into heaven.
False.
Answered by Sheikh Khâlid al-Sayf

The word “tawaffâ”

The word “tawaffâ” essentially means for something “to arrive at its fulfillment”, like the period of time being fulfilled of a person’s months and days on Earth. The word is also used to mean “to take or receive in full” like in “tawaffaytu al-mâl” meaning “I received the money in full. Actually, these two meanings are very close to each other.

The word “tawaffâ” does not mean “to die” except in the presence of a contextual indicator that shows that this meaning is intended. It may be used to mean death or other things, but this is something understood from the context in which the word is being used.

In Arabic, there are three usages in which the word “tawaffâ” is used:

The first is “sleep”. Allah says: “Allah takes (yatwaffâ) the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep; then He withholds those on whom He has passed the decree of death and sends the others back till an appointed term; most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect.” [Sûrah al-Zumar: 42]

Here the word “tawaffâ” refers to the taking the souls from their voluntary actions during sleep and withholding fully the rational faculties and discretion until the person wakes up.

The second is “death”. This is in the context of a person’s time coming to an end. Here, the soul is taken without the body, so that Allah takes over full possession of the soul. Allah says: “until, when death comes unto one of you, Our messengers receive him (tawaffathu) , and they neglect not.” [Sûrah al-An`âm: 61]

As for the body, there is no reference to it being taken or received. It remains on the Earth and is covered by the soil.

The third is the taking of the body and soul together. This is what happened with Christ (peace be upon him). In this way, he ceased to be in the state of the people of Earth who need food, drink, clothing, and rest. His state is not like that of the denizens of the Earth in such matters.

Here we have the meaning of “tawaffâ” in the verse: “Behold! Allah said: ‘O Jesus! I will take you (mutawaffîka) and raise you to Myself” [Sûrâh Âl `Imrân: 55] It means that Allah will take him and raise him up from the Earth without death. There are two possible, equally valid understandings of this:

1. Allah is saying: “I am raising you up wholly so that they will not beset you with anything.”

2. Allah is saying: “I am receiving you.”

Nowhere does Allah ever mention in the Qur’ân that Christ died or was killed. If Allah had wanted to inform us that Jesus (peace be upon him) had died, he would have said: “They did not kill him nor did they crucify him. Instead he died.” This is not what is being said in the Qur’ân. If Allah had intended death when he says “tawaffâ” that would make Christ (peace be upon him) no different than the rest of the people in that their souls are taken up. If Christ’s soul had left his body, his body would have remained on Earth like the bodies of the rest of the Prophets. This is why Allah says: “Nay, Allah raised him up to Himself” [Sûrah al-Nisâ’: 158] in order to make it clear that the raising up took place upon both the soul and the body.

This is attested to by all the authentic hadîth regarding the descent of Jesus (peace be upon him) at the end of time in body and soul. These hadîth are many and they are well-known. They have reached us with so many lines of transmission so as to be mutawâtir.

Jesus’ return is also attested to by Allah’s words: “And there is none of the People of the Scripture but will certainly believe in him before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection, he will be a witness against them.” [Sûrah al-Nisâ: 159]

This verse refers to his death after returning at the end of time. This is why the verb “will certainly believe” comes a promise that is indicative of the future tense.

Then we have the hadîth where the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “By Him in Whose hand is my life, the son of Mary (peace be upon him) will descend among you as a just judge. He will break crosses, kill swine and abolish Jizya and the wealth will pour forth to such an extent that no one will accept it.” [ (2222) and Sahîh Muslim (155)]

In summary, the term “tawaffâ” in Arabic does not in itself apply to the spirit to the exclusion of the body, or necessarily to both together, nor to sleep – except by way of the context in which it is used. This is the case for many Arabic words.

The word “raf`”

The word “raf`” essentially means “to place”. It can be used for physical objects or for abstract concepts. With respect o physical objects, its literal meaning is that of being moved to a higher position. And object can be raised. A plane or a wave can rise on its own.

With respect to abstract meanings, the term is understood according to the requirements of how it is being used. For example, the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “The pen is lifted from three, the child until he matures…” In this context, it refers to the absence of legal accountability. In another context, we say that a person experiences a raise in his social status, prestige, and nobility.

As for the meaning of “raf`” in the verse: “Nay, Allah raised him up to Himself” [Sûrah al-Nisâ’: 158], this refers to being raised in a physical, spatial sense. This is because when the word is used in connection with physical bodies, it is meant literally to mean movement to a higher position in space. This is what occurred with Christ (peace be upon him).

The understanding of actual movement through space is further supported by the fact that the verb is followed by prepositional phrase “ilayhi” (to Himself).

In summary, the term “raf`” as used in the verse is on its literal meaning that Jesus (peace be upon him) was raised up in both body and spirit, since the term is used literally in this way when referring to physical bodies. It is not to be understood metaphorically.
وَرَفَعْنَاهُ مَكَاناً عَلِيّاً

19.57 . And We raised him to a lofty station
This refers to his being taken up to the heaven if you consult the books of Tafsîr. So it actually refutes your claim.


More info in this:
http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-beliefs/8570-aqeedah-iqaamatul-burhaan.html
 
what would i do without u bro ansar? ;D thanks for d mod 4 highlighting something that we r not aware off.... jazakallah
 
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All the proofs necessary have been given above to clarify that Isa (alayhis salam) and the Mahdi will reign on earth in the future.
 
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Okay thank you all for the replies

Brother Ansar Al adl I did notice brother Ahmed posted hadeeth from Abu Dawood regading Imam Mahdi..if there hadeeth in bukhari and Muslim then please do post it.

why should i believe in Imam Mahdi when the Qur'an doesnt mention him? i did raise these questions in sunniforum and the brothers and sisters tried to explain to me and one even told me this ' sister you better believe in him because I've heard some scholars say any Muslim who doesnt is a kaafir'

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yes, if u dont believe in iman mahdi u will be a unbeliever. i Dont know about you, but i definitely believe in him. And i cant wait tell he comes!
 
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Okay thank you all for the replies

Brother Ansar Al adl I did notice brother Ahmed posted hadeeth from Abu Dawood regading Imam Mahdi..if there hadeeth in bukhari and Muslim then please do post it.
Muslim Book 041, Number 6961:
Abu Nadra reported:" We were in the company of Jabir b. 'Abdulldh that he said it may happen that the people of Iraq may not send their qafiz and dirhams (their measures of food stuff and their money). We said: Who would be respolisible for it? He said: The non_Arabs would prevt them. He again said: There is the possibility that the people of Syria may not send their dinar and mudd. We said: Who would be responsible for it? He said This prevention would be made by the Romans. He (Jabir b. Abdullab) kept quiet for a while and then reported Allah', s Messengdt (may peas be upon him) having said There would be a caliph in the last (period) of my Ummah who would freely give handfuls of wealth to thd people wiothout counting it. I said to Abu Nadra and Abu al-'Ala: Do you mean 'Umarb. 'Abd al-Aziz? They said: No (he would be The Mahdi.).

why should i believe in Imam Mahdi when the Qur'an doesnt mention him? i did raise these questions in sunniforum and the brothers and sisters tried to explain to me and one even told me this ' sister you better believe in him because I've heard some scholars say any Muslim who doesnt is a kaafir'
Why do you pray the way you do since the Quran doesnt mention the way to pray? Why do you give 2.5% for Zakat since the Quran doesnt mention that amount? Why do you do Hajj the way you do since the Quran doesnt mention all the details of Hajj?

The Quran and the Sunnah are complementary. Without taking in account the Sunnah you have no Islam. Allah has said in the Quran to obey the Messenger, therefore, the Sunnah has to be preserved for the later generations.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]65. But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad
) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.


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Brother Ansar Al adl I did notice brother Ahmed posted hadeeth from Abu Dawood regading Imam Mahdi..if there hadeeth in bukhari and Muslim then please do post it.
The hadith says that 'Îsa will descend and will be lead in prayer by the Mahdi. eg.

Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: ‘‘Eesaa ibn Maryam will descend, and their leader [the Mahdi] will say, "Come and lead us in prayer," but he will say, "No, one of them should lead them as an honour to this ummah from Allaah."’" The version narrated by Muslim says: "… Then ‘Eesaa ibn Maryam (Peace be upon him) will descend and their leader will say, ‘Come and lead us in prayer,’ but he will say, ‘No, some of you are leaders over others as an honour from Allaah to this ummah.’" (Reported by Muslim, 225)

why should i believe in Imam Mahdi when the Qur'an doesnt mention him?
Because the Qur'an commands us to accept the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh and one of the prophecies of Prophet Muhammad was that of the coming of Imam Mahdi. The Qur'an includes only the articles of faith, while prophecies are found in the teachings of Prophet Muhammad pbuh. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh prophecised that his followers would spread past the Byzantine and Persian Empires. That was a prophecy, not an article of faith so it wasn't in the Qur'an but we are still required to believe in it all the same. Some prophecies are only alluded to by the Qur'an, like the conquest of Makkah.
 
All aimmah were mortals and were not infallible and make mistakes. (boy, am I going to get so beaten up...)

All aimmah will not be there to defend us from the hell fire.
 
Re: No mention of Prophet Isa's return or appearence of Imam Mahdi in Quran&earlyhade

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Not true. He will come down as establised by the Quran and the Hadith and the opinions of the Ulema.

THE FIRST REFERENCE: is in Surah Nisaa’, verses (156-159). As for the context of these verses, Allah, the Exalted, mentions the fabrications of the Jews, their slander of Mary, their rejection of Faith, and claim that they killed Jesus son of Mary - the Messenger of Allah. Thereupon Allah, the Exalted, declares the falsity of these claims and says, "And because of their saying (boasting), ‘We killed Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah,’ - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it was made to appear to them so." [an-Nisaa’ 4:157]

"But Allah raised him up (with his body and soul) unto Himself; and Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise." [an-Nisaa’ 4:158]

So, if anyone claims that only the soul was raised, it would be incorrect, as is shown from the two following perspectives.


FIRSTLY, Allah made a mention of this raise in the context of refutation of the claim of the Jews that they killed the Christ. So, if it were that only the soul was raised, then that would actually mean an acknowledgment of the claim of the Jews that they killed the Christ - which is to remove his soul!



They didnt kill him Allah wouldnt allow that..What is wrong with believing Prophet Isa (A.S) died naturally like all humans in another place?

Allah mentions other Prophets being raised up..not to heaven but raising them to high stations.




[/B] The verse presents the message in a future tense, so it is with regards to the events to come after the raising of the Christ. It informs that some of the People of the Book will believe in the Christ. But when will that be? It will be upon his descent, his return and coming onto the earth once again. Imam Tabari, the renowned scholar of the Quranic exegesis (may Allah cover him in mercy), explained this. He said, “The meaning of the verse ‘And there is none of the people of the Scripture but must believe in him’, that is: in Jesus, ‘before his death’, that is: before the death of Jesus. It is explained as follows: that all of them will affirm and acknowledge him when he descends to kill the Antichrist, thereafter, all the religion will give way to only the one, which is the pure upright religion of Islam - the religion of Abraham (may the peace be him)." [See Tafsir at-Tabari 4:356-357].


وَإِن مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ إِلاَّ لَيُؤْمِنَنَّ بِهِ قَبْلَ مَوْتِهِ وَيَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ يَكُونُ عَلَيْهِمْ
شَهِيداً
There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him before his death , and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them
(4:159)



This verse doesnt have 1 set interpretation..Why does this scholar make it seem as if theres a consensus on the interpretation of this verse?..i have the salafi translation and they give two interpretation. One as stated above and the other is below.


A second interpretation again takes “believe in him” as “believe in Jesus” but takes “his death” as “death of one of the people of the book”. That is, none of the people of the book – sometimes taken to refer to Jews, since the Christians already believe in Jesus – dies without first coming to faith in Jesus as the true messenger of God.Ibn ‘Abbas was asked what if someone among the people of the book dies by falling from a wall. He replied that he will believe during the fall. Muhammad bin Sirin, Dahhak and Juwayriah also shared this opinion.

Another interpretation attributed to ‘Ikramah, takes “believe in him” as “believe in Muhammad” and “his death” in the sense of “the death of the people of the book”. This gives the same meaning as the first interpretation except that the faith attained by the people of the book before dying is faith in the Prophet Muhammad.


Also if Prophet Isa (A.S) is alive currrently in heaven..where is he? with whom? and doesnt Zakah and Salah obligatory for him if He is alive?

وَجَعَلَنِي مُبَارَكاً أَيْنَ مَا كُنتُ وَأَوْصَانِي بِالصَّلَاةِ وَالزَّكَاةِ مَا دُمْتُ حَيّاً

And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be , and has enjoined upon me prayer and alms giving so long as I remain alive
[Qur'an:19-31]



إِذْ قَالَ اللّهُ يَا عِيسَى إِنِّي مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَيَّ وَمُطَهِّرُكَ مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ

( And remember ) when Allah said : O Jesus! Lo! I am causing you to die and raising you unto Me , and am cleansing youof those who disbelieve
(3:55)

Why do people have a problem with this translation? Again there is no consensus on this as evidenced below.

وروى علي بن أبي طلحة عن ابن عباس متوفيك أي مميتك

Ali Bin Abi Talhah has reported that Ibn Abbas said: Mutawaffika connotes Mumayyituka (I am going to give you death)



وَمَا مُحَمَّدٌ إِلاَّ رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ أَفَإِن مَّاتَ أَوْ قُتِلَ انقَلَبْتُمْ
عَلَى أَعْقَابِكُمْ وَمَن يَنقَلِبْ عَلَىَ عَقِبَيْهِ فَلَن يَضُرَّ اللّهَ شَيْئاً وَسَيَجْزِي اللّهُ
الشَّاكِرِينَ

And Muhammad is no more than a messenger; messengers have already passed away before him … (3:144)


مَّا الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ إِلاَّ رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ صِدِّيقَةٌ
كَانَا يَأْكُلاَنِ الطَّعَامَ انظُرْ كَيْفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الآيَاتِ ثُمَّ انظُرْ أَنَّى يُؤْفَكُونَ

5.75 . The Messiah , son of Mary , was no other than a messenger , messengers ( the like of whom ) had passed away before him . And his mother was a saintly woman . And they both used to eat ( earthly ) food . See how we make the revelations clear for them , and see how they are turned away!



So the message in the Qur'an is very clear.Prophet Isa was like all other Prophets.

 
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Why do you pray the way you do since the Quran doesnt mention the way to pray? Why do you give 2.5% for Zakat since the Quran doesnt mention that amount? Why do you do Hajj the way you do since the Quran doesnt mention all the details of Hajj?

The Quran and the Sunnah are complementary. Without taking in account the Sunnah you have no Islam. Allah has said in the Quran to obey the Messenger, therefore, the Sunnah has to be preserved for the later generations.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]65. But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad
) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.


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Alhamdullilah I am not a hadeeth rejector..i just think its wrong to believe in beliefs not found in the Qur'an this includes music being haraam, stoning to death the adulterers etc.

Dr. Ahmad Shafaat isnt also one but he is for the reviving of hadeeth criticism...and to be honest with you theres a lack of this in our Ummah..everyone just thinks the hadeeths are all perfect when they are clearly not.
 
who is this Dr Ahmad Shafaat? What are his credentials? thanks.
 
Conclusive proof that Jesus (a.s) died a natural death is furnished by the verse Q5:117. Allah is said to remonstrate with Jesus (a.s) and enquires if he taught his followers: "Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah" (Q5:116)? Jesus (a.s) is made to say: "I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me: serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die (i.e. after my death) Thou hast been the Watcher over them and Thou art witness over all things" (Q5:117). The following facts are revealed by this verse: (i) As long as Jesus (a.s) was alive, he kept a careful watch on those who followed him; (ii) but he did not know how they behaved after his death; (iii) the followers of Jesus (a.s) have gone astray.

Accordingly, as long as Jesus (a.s) lived, his teachings were uncorrupted. The doctrine of his Divinity was introduced after his death or he could not plead ignorance. This verse (Q5:117) conclusively proves that Jesus (a.s) will not return, for if he returns to this earth, this verse is rendered void. He should have said that he had corrected his people on a second coming. He does not say so. A report in Sahih Bukhari supplements the proof provided by the verse Q5:117. It is narrated that on the Day of Resurrection, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (s.a.a.w) would be shown some men from among his ummah being dragged towards hell. The Holy Prophet is reported to have said that he will plead: "I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die (i.e. after my death), Thou hast been the Watcher over them and Thou art witness over all thing." (Al-Bukhari Kitab-ul Tafseer). Note the words: they are identical to those of verse Q5:117. Since the words are the same, the same meaning must also be assigned to them. Double standards cannot be accepted.
 
yes, if u dont believe in iman mahdi u will be a unbeliever. i Dont know about you, but i definitely believe in him. And i cant wait tell he comes!

why would i be an unbeliever?

I believe in God

in His final Prophet.

in the Qur'an.

and in many Hadeeths that don't establish anything new (bid'a) or contradict the Qur'an.

so why would i be an unbeliever? you are putting me in that same category like the kuffar? the disbelieving athiests and disbelieving People of the book? who don't give a toss about the Holy Qur'an? shame on you.
 
Amazing, I never knew that there were muslims who actually claimed other than which is clearly stated in the Qur'an and Hadeeth about Isa ibn Maryam.
Oh well, we learn something new all the time isn't it :)
Brothers Ansar al-Adl and Ahmad have refuted your claims very well, I suggest you pay more attention to that....

By the way, who is this 'scholar' you are talking about?
 
Salam sister,
because I've heard some scholars say any Muslim who doesnt is a kaafir'
Now that is going too far. Anyhow, if you don't want to believe in mahdi and Isa (p) it is not a bigee. Return of Jesus (p) will be a very big event, and most muslims, christians, and jews will come to believe in him when this will take place.

But sufficient is the verse "And he (i.e. Jesus) shall be a known sign for (the coming of) the Hour (i.e. Day of Resurrection). Therefore have no doubt concerning it. And follow Me (i.e. Allah)! This is the Straight Path."

The verse speaks in future tense; I don't think any doubt can remain after this.

Also if Prophet Isa (A.S) is alive currrently in heaven..where is he? with whom? and doesnt Zakah and Salah obligatory for him if He is alive?
I don't see the relevance of these questions, we are not responsible for his salah and zakah, but it is relevant for us that we don't go against him like the jews of his time, when he returns.

So the message in the Qur'an is very clear.Prophet Isa was like all other Prophets.
Yes, to show that is just another prophet, but it doesn't mean his miracles and circumstances won't be different. As far as I know, no other prophet spoke in the cradle.
 
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