Do Muslims believe the original Bible is the word of God?

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Muslim Knight said:
You should probably ask this question to Christians rather than to Muslims. We'd stick to the Quran. Today's Bibles are not the our Guide-to-Life books.
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Why? Muslims beleave in the bible (the first one :rollseyes ) as much as christians beleave in the bible.
 
j4763 said:
Why? Muslims beleave in the bible (the first one :rollseyes ) as much as christians beleave in the bible.
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lol yes we believe that the bible was revealed, but we don't believe that we take our commandments from it becasue we have the Quran... hwo it was recorded (or if it was recorded at all) is besides the point...
 
j4763 said:
Why? Muslims beleave in the bible (the first one :rollseyes ) as much as christians beleave in the bible.
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there is a world of difference in the Injil we believe and the bible they believe. We ONLY 100% truelly believe in the Quran and Sahih Hadith! Nothing else do we put our complete faith and trust in.


You have your answer, we believe the Injil was given to Jesus but was changed over time.


:peace:
 
Did he not? Where is he now?
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Allah took him up to the heavens, and he'll return to live for 40 years and then die a normal death.
 
j4763 said:
Why? Muslims beleave in the bible (the first one :rollseyes ) as much as christians beleave in the bible.
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Well, for starters, the Quran is more complete and it prescribes the whole complete Muslim way of life, second being the Sunnah of the Prophet. As I've said earlier, all the teachings of previous Prophets/Messengers (Jesus included) are contained in the Quran. We're reading the Injil the same time as we're reading the Quran, so why stick to Bible that is needing revision every now and then? Why, do we need to stick to second hand item?
 
Sorry I just been away a while, interesting thread, am abit confused at some responses:

Abd'Majid said:
we believe Allah has sent revelation to Jesus. But we believe it got tainted very quikly so we cant take anything of the bible nor reject anything from the bible.
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Abd'Majid said:
my guess is the disciples/companions of Jesus wrote it down and it got defiled/modified very quickly so we cant accept it or reject it, we stamp a "Maybe" with it. What agrees wiv the quran and sunnah, we accept, and reject everything else.
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I think both views can be correct but they seem so confusing to read.

Then I read,

Muslim Knight said:
Muslims believe in Injil i.e. words of revelation sent down to Nabi 'Isa 'alayhi salaam but they were never written down during his lifetime.
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Just wondering is there any proof for that? I have never seen any before.

Abd'Majid said:
No it wasnt written while jesus was alive. Thats for sure, and i dont kno anything about how or when it was written.
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On what basis do you say this brother?

And

I was going to reply to some of the questions but J has said he gets it so, I hope that the brothers and sisters have been of benefit.

Forgive me yall for any mistakes,

Salam Aleykum
 
Akhi I think maybe Zakir Naik was refering to the Bible in our hands now, as in the Gospels and so forth, which were not written even in their original form in the presence of Jesus but rather quite a while later.

With regards to Jesus, the Bible says Jesus preached the Gospel.
Then Quran I think also says that Jesus was given the Gospel.

Whether it was written down, I dont know.

I am glad you werent angry with me.
 
IsaAbdullah said:
I am glad you werent angry with me.
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lol that part made me laugh, if you ask me questions i will not be angry InshaAllah!

i see bro , well my knowledge in this area is low, dont kno much about christianity at all really... lol shud watch more ahmed deedat :p

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muslims believe that the basic message that GOd sent to mankind over and over generation after generation whenever it got distorted is the same:
absolute monotheism

all these messages just paved the way and prepared the world for the last and completed/perfected version of the message-the final message.
this is the quran which was revealed to the last prophet Muhammad (p).

since all the messages were basically the same ie-islam (which means submission to God) then all the prophets and their followers at the time were also muslims (ones who submit to GOd)
 
Abd'Majid said:
lol that part made me laugh, if you ask me questions i will not be angry InshaAllah!

i see bro , well my knowledge in this area is low, dont kno much about christianity at all really... lol shud watch more ahmed deedat :p

:salamext:
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Well it is jus that sometimes I ask people for clarification or proof, and they seem to be a little offended, and that isnt my intention.

Thank you for your patience.
 
Some how there was a confusion here as to what was the first Bible. The Injeel was not the first bible, prior to that was the Tauret (Torah) revealed to Moses. Prior to that there were the older scriptures revealed to prior Prophets such as Adam and Abraham (Peace be upon all of them)

An interesting claim by the Abrahamic religions, (Jew, Christian, Muslim, Sabia)
They all acknowldege the origianl source of the scriptures was the word of God(swt) Not one claims that God(swt) personaly wrote the words in a written form. It was always a dictation. Now, that may not seem so significant. But, wouldn't it be logical for a person trying to "invent" a religious belief to present some solid written documentation that they would claim to be the actual HANDWRITTEN word of God(swt) ? Would there not be a desire to produce that? Unless, the Word actually, was revealed verbaly to people. The method by which the Revealed Truths, defies the logic of a person trying to "invent" a religion. I doubt very much that a fraud would attempt to portray a happening as we believe. It would sound unbelievable from the start, unless it truly did happen in that manner.

The main difference with the Qur'an is the entire book was revealed to just one person and that person had and was able to oversee what would be written for future generations. Tools were put into place to prevent it from being changed by Human interpretation or translation.
 
Woodrow said:
Some how there was a confusion here as to what was the first Bible. The Injeel was not the first bible, prior to that was the Tauret (Torah) revealed to Moses. Prior to that there were the older scriptures revealed to prior Prophets such as Adam and Abraham (Peace be upon all of them)

An interesting claim by the Abrahamic religions, (Jew, Christian, Muslim, Sabia)
They all acknowldege the origianl source of the scriptures was the word of God(swt) Not one claims that God(swt) personaly wrote the words in a written form. It was always a dictation. Now, that may not seem so significant. But, wouldn't it be logical for a person trying to "invent" a religious belief to present some solid written documentation that they would claim to be the actual HANDWRITTEN word of God(swt) ? Would there not be a desire to produce that? Unless, the Word actually, was revealed verbaly to people. The method by which the Revealed Truths, defies the logic of a person trying to "invent" a religion. I doubt very much that a fraud would attempt to portray a happening as we believe. It would sound unbelievable from the start, unless it truly did happen in that manner.

The main difference with the Qur'an is the entire book was revealed to just one person and that person had and was able to oversee what would be written for future generations. Tools were put into place to prevent it from being changed by Human interpretation or translation.
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Bare with me akhi,

I don't think Adam had a scripture, since Adam peace and blessings be upon him was only a Prophet. Abraham I think did since Surah Al Ala says in the last verses 'scriptures of old, scriptures of Ibrahim and Musa' something like that.
 
IsaAbdullah said:
Bare with me akhi,

I don't think Adam had a scripture, since Adam peace and blessings be upon him was only a Prophet. Abraham I think did since Surah Al Ala says in the last verses 'scriptures of old, scriptures of Ibrahim and Musa' something like that.
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Maybe Adam 'alayhi salaam wasn't given a scripture, but he was sure given Signs from Allah to guide him and his family;

[FONT=VERDANA,ARIAL, HELVETICA][SIZE=-1] Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. (Q 2:37)

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About the previous post;

Originally Posted by Muslim Knight
Muslims believe in Injil i.e. words of revelation sent down to Nabi 'Isa 'alayhi salaam but they were never written down during his lifetime.
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Just wondering is there any proof for that? I have never seen any before.
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Sorry, I got that from Ahmed Deedat's books. But you can do me a favor by checking in the Bible and see whether there is any utterance of Jesus telling his disciples to write down the Gospel whenever he acquires it. My point of view is that the disciples wrote their own accounts after Jesus' Ascension to the Heavens. If they have written it down during Jesus' lifetime, the scripture would have said so. However, I'd be happy if you'd prove otherwise.[FONT=VERDANA,ARIAL, HELVETICA][SIZE=-1]


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Woodrow said:
Not one claims that God(swt) personaly wrote the words in a written form. It was always a dictation.
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It was never a dictation.

All the books of the bible were written by men. The books were written separately, spread out over many hundreds of years.

The first book was written many hundreds of years before Jesus.

No author has ever claimed that it was "revealed" to him in the way the Koran was revealed to the prophet (pbuh).

Rather, some of the authors claim they were "inspired" by god. But I don't believe this. I believe this claim was manufactured by priests and popes over the last 2,000 years.
 
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